go to King of Prussia for the Allen Hopkins in March and you can pretty much try any CM that you want.the_saint_siwa said:
Looking for searing cues
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SPINTHEBALL said:
Dont get me wrong guys,I am not knocking searing cues. But for the money there aint much there and its the archer,not the arrow when it comes to playing pool! There are alot of great new cuemakers out there and for less than half the money with alot more work in them you could get a great playing cue. Just because say one cuemaker hasnt made alot of cues doesnt make his the best IMO.
Voodoo Daddy
One Pocket 101
Poolhawk said:
HAHAHAHAHA...your funny!!
Gilbert
Ill put the hit of my gilbert up against a lot of cues out there.
Its all supply and demand. I agree some of the great cuemakers alive and deceased are great because they revolutionized the world of cues but for plain jane cues soemtimes with no points going for 1000-2000 dollars is outrageous. But price is commanded on what people will pay and they are paying so custom cuemakers are making. If everyone decided that they were not going to pay then it would be different. Just like in the mid 80s and up until the early 90s, it wasnt custom cuemakers making money it was the production cues--with all the hype and low production numbers by makers and inflation they can command what they want because they know people and or dealers will pay their price.
Just my .02
Ill put the hit of my gilbert up against a lot of cues out there.
Its all supply and demand. I agree some of the great cuemakers alive and deceased are great because they revolutionized the world of cues but for plain jane cues soemtimes with no points going for 1000-2000 dollars is outrageous. But price is commanded on what people will pay and they are paying so custom cuemakers are making. If everyone decided that they were not going to pay then it would be different. Just like in the mid 80s and up until the early 90s, it wasnt custom cuemakers making money it was the production cues--with all the hype and low production numbers by makers and inflation they can command what they want because they know people and or dealers will pay their price.
Just my .02
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where did someone say "he doesnt make a lot of cues so his are the best"?Poolhawk said:
my personal opinion is that dennis puts 110% effort into his cue making. he seeks perfection. he knows it can't be obtained but he trys his best and his cues are the outcome of his efforts. why the need to put down one cue maker vs. another cue maker?
Getnbzy said:
How does it compare the the last 2-3 turns on a Pete? My Ivory jointed
Tasc , the last few turns just second to none. I've not had the pleasure of seeing a dennis in person, maybe you've turned a tasc and can compare? Thnks.. Brett
keepitreal said:
I'VE ALSO HAD BOTH AND THE TASC FITS TOGETHER TIGHTER,IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT TIGHTNESS HAS TO DO WITH THE HIT THOUGH.
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
I was referrering to that last little, umh, umh, that last little snug, snug, and
no, I wasnt referring anything to do with hit, just construction. In terms of hit, I'd be hard pressed to compare/rate my Franklins, Ginas, Herceks, Tasc'
Tad, etc. etc I love them all. No, I was just commenting on this gentlemans comment about the last few turns. Thanks for sharing though.
iconcue said:
So I guess he's the only one putting 110% into his work and the rest are all just giving it 70-80%?Who's putting down searing,or are you just being selective in your reading since I stated in a follow up post that I wasnt knocking searing cues,just making a opion. THERE IS NO BEST CUEMAKER
,there are alot of great cuemakers,its all what a certain person thinks.I have shown gus,tascarella,mottey,to alot of PLAYERS,and they say so what,my muecci hits better. You could spend all the money you want(and u have)and still find many who say the cues you have are so-so. Most of the really true collectors dont waste there time in the mud on this website discussing cuemakers,they know whats collectable.
Poolhawk said:
Have you seen this gentleman's collection? I think he qualifies as a 'true collector' of cues. Just an observation. Oh, by the way, anyone who thinks his Meucci hits as good as a Gus, or Tasc, or Mottey (those you've mentioned), oh brother.
Had six HOT SEARINGS and apprx. fifteen TASC'S. The last couple of turns on the SEARING was a little tighter with the exception of a 59" cue he made for BUDDY. The hit, IMO, was more predictable with the SEARING. I prefer the sound of the TASC. These observations were made with 13mm std taper sfts, Iv ferrl's, and stk tips. The hit and sound of the TASC is more Szam and BUSCHKA like where the SEARING is, like KB or SW, unique and should be evaluated on it's own merit. SEARING and SW cues with std taper shafts require well developed strokes to maximize their potential. TASC'S are a little more dynamic at the expense of predictablity. TASC'S, because of the tangs used in construction, tended to be 19.5+ oz. Losing the tang allows for lighter weights at the expense of sound. Value, based on market value upon receipt from the maker, is strongest for the SW, SEARING and then TASC. IMO SW and SEARING are also the most consistent (play and build quality). SW,SEARING,B. SZAM,TAD and TASC are,IMO, the top five with a handfull of others right on their heels. SW301-93FAST_N_LOOSE said:
keepitreal said:
I dont think just because someone is rich and has payed royally for some cues qualify's as a knowlegable collector.How long has he been a COLLECTOR?You know how long and just because he's loaded people kissin his you known what so they can sell him a cue. Lucky,wu,glenn, those type of collectors are what I'm talkin about,it takes years and years to gain there knowledge.Yes,money talks and bs walks,but dont put him on a pedastle. And to other players with muecci,yes,they will tell you it hits better,thats the point you missed,its just a opion!Earl plays with a cutec with electrical tape on the handle and he'll whip just about anybody's ass in pool just as a example. We can go back and forth all day and night on that point,I'll acept the fact that a guy say's to me my lucasi plays great and I play with a mottey and he could give 2 shits.To him,his lucasi is the best and I acept that!So dont get all bent out about what ever someone says is the best,THERE IS NOT BEST HITTING CUE!
Yeah, what will Earl's Cuetech be worth in a 100 years?
What ever someone is willing to pay for it! And that may be alot. Cue pedegree though really doesnt add much to a cue. But if I was going to invest say 500,000 bucks I wouldnt put it in cues thats for sure. But who knows,maybe this Ip tour will bring some respectability to the sport.We all have been waiting for years for something to jump start it here in the u.sa. like it is in asia. Back to the post,Matty,if you want to spend 2500 and up for a plain 4 point cue just to find out if it will elevate your game to a new level,go for it.SPINTHEBALL said:
the_saint_siwa said:
Until then go to Valley Forge if you can. Searing was down one booth from me. Valley Forge is the largest collection of cuemakers and their newest cues in the world - where the players can come, try out a cue, buy it and take it home in an hour. Or order a custom if you want. And an added bonus - you can meet the cuemakers.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
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you keep trying to put words into peoples mouths! i was posting about dennis searing - i didnt say anything about other cue makers not putting in 110%. i'm sure their are others that put their all into their cues as well! previously, all i posted was "the sounds of silence" and you get all wound up about dennis.Poolhawk said:
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you don't know anything about me, what i have payed for any of my cues, or what my inventory of cues is. you also dont know who if anybody i talk to in the industry. what does the length of time somebody does something have to do with their knowledge on the subject. did you not know peoples intelligence levels differ? sure with time comes experience but some people will never pick up on something no matter how long the go at it!Poolhawk said:
i havent said anything bad about any cue maker in this thread.
are you saying their is a minimum amount of time you have to be a collector of something before you can have an opinion on the subject? let us all know what the minimum is so we can possibly avoid offending your superior knowledge in the future!
i also doubt very seriously wether you know the glenn's, lucky, or doc wu. wouldnt you have to know them to get a feel for their knowledge on a subject?
i also said nothing about there being one best hitting cue.
you seem to be the one getting "bent out of shape"!
and i don't recall anyone kissing my "you know what" ! . . . i think i would remember that.
btw "poolhawk" who are you and where are you from? i've never seen anyone put a period in the middle of los angeles before
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