I've read several threads where RKC refers to "Diamondize"-ing Gold Crown rails. What exactly is he referring to when he says this and which mechanics have the ability to perform this work? I have a 8' oversize GC4 and would possibly like this work done. I would pack up and ship my rails to the mechanic to get done if no one could do it locally. I'm in San Antonio Texas. Please PM me if you'd like to talk to me about this work. Thanks!
Looking to "Diamondize" my rails
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Your either gonna have to ship your rails to mark gregory or wait for glen to arrive in tx, if your serious and want to get the info your looking for contact mark
www.perfectpocketz.com
Enjoy
Rob.M
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Your either gonna have to ship your rails to mark gregory or wait for glen to arrive in tx, if your serious and want to get the info your looking for contact mark
www.perfectpocketz.com
Enjoy
Rob.M
Glen may be in Texas soonish
Glen diamondized my GC III and it plays amazingly well. He charges around $1500 but installs completely new wood in the rails, and extends the subrails to give you pro-cut pockets as well. It typically takes him a few days to complete all the work, and you're getting an amazing bargain for all the time effort and hard work that he puts into it. Because he only comes to Texas once in a blue moon, you may also consider having him join the slates with his new steel plate system that uses the diamond leveling system. When I spoke to him a few weeks ago he was planning to be in Texas in and around March or April. I hope this info helps-Ryan
Glen diamondized my GC III and it plays amazingly well. He charges around $1500 but installs completely new wood in the rails, and extends the subrails to give you pro-cut pockets as well. It typically takes him a few days to complete all the work, and you're getting an amazing bargain for all the time effort and hard work that he puts into it. Because he only comes to Texas once in a blue moon, you may also consider having him join the slates with his new steel plate system that uses the diamond leveling system. When I spoke to him a few weeks ago he was planning to be in Texas in and around March or April. I hope this info helps-Ryan
perfectpocketz
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I really don't care how does anyone's rail work right or wrong....I just wish everyone would stop saying that the GC table are being Dimondnized.
They are not getting anything more than the miter and angles changed....and when you use a 15 degree down angle on GC tables....it's takes all the ball rattle out of the corner pockets...and accepts everything shot at the corner pockets.
No one even understands what's being done to there tables....but yet they play awesome.
Please...give me a break.....GC table are not designed to have diamond specs. Period.
GC table play great the way they were designed to play.....as diamond table play as they were designed.....that's it.....there's no Diamondnizing of other pool tables...it's just useing specs that other table manufacture's use.
Mark Gregory
They are not getting anything more than the miter and angles changed....and when you use a 15 degree down angle on GC tables....it's takes all the ball rattle out of the corner pockets...and accepts everything shot at the corner pockets.
No one even understands what's being done to there tables....but yet they play awesome.
Please...give me a break.....GC table are not designed to have diamond specs. Period.
GC table play great the way they were designed to play.....as diamond table play as they were designed.....that's it.....there's no Diamondnizing of other pool tables...it's just useing specs that other table manufacture's use.
Mark Gregory
Does it matter?
Well Mark, the term is just a way to refer to a table revamping to make it play well. If you need new rubber and want pro cut pockets, then it makes sense to have either you or Glen handle the work. I don't think the term is really the issue. Glen has also called it Cobracizing. We're just interested in an affordable better playing table.....
Well Mark, the term is just a way to refer to a table revamping to make it play well. If you need new rubber and want pro cut pockets, then it makes sense to have either you or Glen handle the work. I don't think the term is really the issue. Glen has also called it Cobracizing. We're just interested in an affordable better playing table.....
perfectpocketz
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I understand what your saying and asking for....but people that don't know what the term Dimondnized is just Glen taking more claim to fame....Dimondnized....crobra....this and cobra that.
Brunswick tables play nothing like a diamond....diamonds table was designed in a way that you can't get to the center of some if there tables to level...that being said....that's why the diamond leveling system is put under the slates.
Brunswick tables can be leveled from all parts of the slates...there for no need for that plywood frame under the slates.
People are getting confused with all the bullshit getting thrown around the talk to who ever wants to answer site.
Brunswicks are Brunswicks and diamonds are diamonds two totally different tables....other than there both called pool tables.
Mark Gregory
Who cares? Did Glen work on my table and "Diamondize" or in politically correct Mark terms "Change Angels"? Yes he did and it does play very well, much better than it did before being a very well taken care of GCIII.
Clearly the gentleman above is a consumer and not a table mechanic just looking for some guidance, not to hear someone (Mark) on a soap box. You could have said, "Hey we actually just change the angels of the rails but it will never actually play like a Diamond. With that said, there are a few of us on here that will do that kind of work and we each have different opinions on angels, pockets, etc." Done deal!
I am always baffled when I come into the mechanic section and see the same people bickering and calling each other out. Cant we all just be civil and actually work TOGETHER? I know Glen fairly well and I am in no means sticking up for him as he has his flaws as well and I have never dealt with Mark but I know they both do great work.
To the OP: If you can have the opporutunity to have either of these guys(RealKingCobra or Perfectpocketz) work on your rails you will be VERY satisfied!
I think the OP just needs to extend his rails and have his cushions replaced with Super Speed.
By extending the subrails with plywood, the pockets will be tighter and will already have GOLD CROWN's pocket angles on them.
Why remove the subrails and get them replaced ????
By extending the subrails with plywood, the pockets will be tighter and will already have GOLD CROWN's pocket angles on them.
Why remove the subrails and get them replaced ????
Dont anyone bash me on this but whats involved to determine that it plays better, better Than what? I understand there are some idiosyncrasies in ever table. There are some quirks to my table, but I love the way it plays . I was just curious what about the play is better.
another good option is Zach Jonas in AZ
perfectpocketz
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You may want to think that one through just a little bit more....maybe call Glen and ask why.
Mark Gregory
I disagree with another post on here about Zach Jonas. Heres some work he recently did for me. These are Charles Porter snooker rails that were converted to pool rails. These rails have the same specifications as Diamonds, they won't play like Diamond's just because they don't have the mass. They do play similiar.
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perfectpocketz
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I'm not going argue with you Donnie.....if your happy with his work...that's all that matters.
But I know the guy never even knew to make changes on the bevel on different cushions.
I'm not going to keep on and on.....but what I do know for sure is that it takes a lot of years to know what to do with rails....and not just glue cushions on with the same bevel for all profile cushions.
Sure don't look like the rail is thick enough in that pic for a rail conversion for snooker to pool. Like I said....I don't care who's doing rail work...as long as the work is done right and all the talk about I can do this and I can do that.....then the guy gets his table back and the rails don't play right....and the customer thinks the table plays great because so and so did the job....when the customer don't really know how a table should play...but believes his tables right because so and so did it.
I'm not on here hustling rail work.....I don't need work on here...I have more than I need now....plus I'm doing centennials and anniversary tables for the most part.
Rail work is not hard to make the rail look good on the wood working end......what's hard to do is make the rails play great 6 months after the cloth breaks in and the friction of the cloth starts to grab the object balls...then see how good the rails play.
All rail work plays good...even if the specs are wrong and cushions to low or to high....but when the cloth starts to wear...then you'll know if the rails were done right.
Let everyone know how that snooker conversion plays in 6 months....now I'm done here with you and the rest of the rail experts.
I didn't come on here asking the guy to send me his rails....nor do I ask anyone to send the rails...they contact me....or I don't get the job.
Everyone knows someone....that can do it better.
Maybe you should send the GC 1 rails you messed up for Joey....to Zack.
Mark Gregory
But I know the guy never even knew to make changes on the bevel on different cushions.
I'm not going to keep on and on.....but what I do know for sure is that it takes a lot of years to know what to do with rails....and not just glue cushions on with the same bevel for all profile cushions.
Sure don't look like the rail is thick enough in that pic for a rail conversion for snooker to pool. Like I said....I don't care who's doing rail work...as long as the work is done right and all the talk about I can do this and I can do that.....then the guy gets his table back and the rails don't play right....and the customer thinks the table plays great because so and so did the job....when the customer don't really know how a table should play...but believes his tables right because so and so did it.
I'm not on here hustling rail work.....I don't need work on here...I have more than I need now....plus I'm doing centennials and anniversary tables for the most part.
Rail work is not hard to make the rail look good on the wood working end......what's hard to do is make the rails play great 6 months after the cloth breaks in and the friction of the cloth starts to grab the object balls...then see how good the rails play.
All rail work plays good...even if the specs are wrong and cushions to low or to high....but when the cloth starts to wear...then you'll know if the rails were done right.
Let everyone know how that snooker conversion plays in 6 months....now I'm done here with you and the rest of the rail experts.
I didn't come on here asking the guy to send me his rails....nor do I ask anyone to send the rails...they contact me....or I don't get the job.
Everyone knows someone....that can do it better.
Maybe you should send the GC 1 rails you messed up for Joey....to Zack.
Mark Gregory