Loose Grip/Tight Grip and Resulting Cueball Action

[ShootingArts]

Here's a good look.

I had went full screen at first. With video quality it is much easier to see small screen. That is a nice slip. That much or more you hit the cue ball in the same range of motion as your practice strokes. You can still follow through but it is also possible to have zero follow through.

I think hitting the cue ball in the same range of motion as your practice strokes is a big advantage of the slip stroke. Many people think the release and regrip is a big deal but the actual change of grip is very slight. I go from just gripping to just slipping.

Hu

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I think hitting the cue ball in the same range of motion as your practice strokes is a big advantage of the slip stroke.

I had never thought of it this way. Do you mean the shot stroke is the same as the practice strokes but with the cue slipped forward to hit the ball sooner?

pj
chgo

 

[straightline]

It does avoid the 20 oz change of direction and allow the hand to reset in firing position. Wouldn't adopt it but it makes perfect sense now.

 

[ShootingArts]

I had never thought of it this way. Do you mean the shot stroke is the same as the practice strokes but with the cue slipped forward to hit the ball sooner?

pj
chgo

It can be done like that and I have done that. However, the final stroke is usually different because you do still follow through. However, the cue ball is hit while you are still in the same range of motion you have been grooving in with your practice strokes. Sometimes, particularly with finesse shots, I don't even follow through using a slip stroke since the cue ball is already on it's way.

It does avoid the 20 oz change of direction and allow the hand to reset in firing position. Wouldn't adopt it but it makes perfect sense now.

It can be used like this but some reset at the beginning of the backstroke or during the backstroke before nearing the transition. Some as seen by Cisero use it at the end of the stroke, at least sometimes.

We don't have a lot of really good samples of a player using the slip stroke to make concrete statements about how a person uses it except for during a sample or two. I wish there was a video out there somewhere of somebody teaching their slip stroke to say at least this is how a person recommends using it. I usually start the cue going backwards, loosen my grip slightly to let two or three inches of cue slip through my grip, and retighten. Some use powder on their grip hand to aid the slip. I find it isn't needed with a linen wrap, harder to slip with a wrapless grip although I could probably use a slick wax to make it work better. I have never been a constant user of the slip stroke.

Hu

 

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We don't have a lot of really good samples of a player using the slip stroke to make concrete statements about how a person uses it except for during a sample or two. I wish there was a video out there somewhere of somebody teaching their slip stroke to say at least this is how a person recommends using it. I usually start the cue going backwards, loosen my grip slightly to let two or three inches of cue slip through my grip, and retighten. Some use powder on their grip hand to aid the slip. I find it isn't needed with a linen wrap, harder to slip with a wrapless grip although I could probably use a slick wax to make it work better. I have never been a constant user of the slip stroke.

Hu

You slide forward before delivering? Can't recall having seen that version.

 

[ShootingArts]

You slide forward before delivering? Can't recall having seen that version.

No. Not at all. I don't have any way to video, not even a known place to play nearby after losing my table to Hurricane Ida or I could video and be worth a thousand words. I consider my slip stroke pretty typical. On the final rearward stroke right after I start back I let my hand slide over the grip a little, trying for between two and three inches so the tip now makes contact before I start any deceleration or follow through. The grip hand is accelerating faster than the cue when my grip is loose going back towards the transition. Then I make a normal or possibly slightly elliptical transition, slightly looping, and come forward. Since my grip hand is now two to three inches further back on the cue the tip is several inches further forward when my forearm is vertical.

Probably overexplaining things for lack of a picture or diagram. Simpler to do than to describe.

Hu

 

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Got it.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

No. Not at all. I don't have any way to video, not even a known place to play nearby after losing my table to Hurricane Ida or I could video and be worth a thousand words. I consider my slip stroke pretty typical. On the final rearward stroke right after I start back I let my hand slide over the grip a little, trying for between two and three inches so the tip now makes contact before I start any deceleration or follow through. The grip hand is accelerating faster than the cue when my grip is loose going back towards the transition. Then I make a normal or possibly slightly elliptical transition, slightly looping, and come forward. Since my grip hand is now two to three inches further back on the cue the tip is several inches further forward when my forearm is vertical.

Probably overexplaining things for lack of a picture or diagram. Simpler to do than to describe.

Hu

Thanks for the explanation - first time I’ve heard a rational argument for slipping.

pj
chgo