Losing turn after pocketing opponent's ball - love or hate?

How do you feel about this rule?

  • I enjoy playing this way

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • I dislike it

    Votes: 10 27.8%

  • I never played this way

    Votes: 23 63.9%

  • I don't care, I like playing both ways

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Total voters
    36
Push&Pool

Push&Pool

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Some formats and variation of 8 ball use this particular rule, that if you accidentally make your opponent's ball along with your own, you stop shooting and the opponent gets the turn. I personally dislike this rule because it seriously diminishes the importance of probability-based shots.

However, if we look at it purely objectively, does it make the game better or worse from a strategic aspect? It can surely come in handy when setting up a good safety, while at the same time it forces the shooter to be more careful and rewards CB control skills.

On the other hand it makes probability-based shots much more risky because you have to worry about every single ball your opponent has left in addition to the 8 and the CB.

What is your opinion regarding this rule? What are the pros and cons?
 
If this is a 'bar rules' discussion, I'll have to check in my sanity at the door.

What little sanity I have, I'd rather keep it with me.


Thanx
 
Never heard of this is USA, but I was playing a lady from Canada and after i made her ball she said if we were playing in canada I would of lost the game for that. I'm On vacation in Mexico and they got some weird rules for 8 ball here, when you foul you take one of your balls out and put it back on the table but I think you can put it wherever you want.
 
ronlovespool said:
Never heard of this is USA, but I was playing a lady from Canada and after i made her ball she said if we were playing in canada I would of lost the game for that. I'm On vacation in Mexico and they got some weird rules for 8 ball here, when you foul you take one of your balls out and put it back on the table but I think you can put it wherever you want.
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A ball back up is how I recall playing when I was a youngn.
 
Push&Pool said:
Some formats and variation of 8 ball use this particular rule, that if you accidentally make your opponent's ball along with your own, you stop shooting and the opponent gets the turn. I personally dislike this rule because it seriously diminishes the importance of probability-based shots.

However, if we look at it purely objectively, does it make the game better or worse from a strategic aspect? It can surely come in handy when setting up a good safety, while at the same time it forces the shooter to be more careful and rewards CB control skills.

On the other hand it makes probability-based shots much more risky because you have to worry about every single ball your opponent has left in addition to the 8 and the CB.

What is your opinion regarding this rule? What are the pros and cons?
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I hate this rule. It leads to negativity and blocking pockets, which is irritating to say the least. I don't think you should be able to pot your opponents ball without potting one of your own first, however. That is too cheap.
 
Can you hold of on the conversation I'm going to go take some migraine medicine.
 
It makes the game WAY worse to have this rule in place. In two shot rules 8-ball making the oponents ball is actually a foul and results in the opponent getting two shots. Ir screws strategy up royally, once a guy jaws his own ball in a corner where his opponent has a couple balls the game's result is a forgone conclusion.
 
Stupid rule!

Making your opponents ball should be its own penalty (i.e. "I just accidently made one of my opponents balls, therefore he has less balls on the table now and is ultimately closer to winning" = Isn't that kind of its own self critiquing experience? Why should a guy get an additional break because he can't get his own damn balls off the table? Would seem to encourage guys sluffing off shots blocking pockets, no? Who the hell wants to play that kind of game?!?)
 
Wow, I think I have finally found the reason why I lose in Pool Break Pro on my phone! It drove me nuts that sometimes I would shoot the 8 ball in, hit it clean, but the cue ball would then hit one of my opponents object balls in after the fact and I would mysteriously lose.

Anything that happens after a clean hit and rail contact is irrelevant in my opinion, unless it is a scratch of course. If I slam in my object ball in the pocket I called(if needed) and I let the cue ball loose to the point where it puts in 4 of your balls but I don't scratch ... who cares? Do I need to start calling if I hit one of your balls after the shot but your object ball doesn't go in? Do I need to start calling what rails I hit after my shot? What's next, everyone carries a ruler and I have to call if the cue ball travels 7 inches instead of 8 inches after I put my ball in? Just seems like a crazy rule to me.
 
edep12 said:
Stupid rule!

Making your opponents ball should be its own penalty (i.e. "I just accidently made one of my opponents balls, therefore he has less balls on the table now and is ultimately closer to winning" = Isn't that kind of its own self critiquing experience? Why should a guy get an additional break because he can't get his own damn balls off the table? Would seem to encourage guys sluffing off shots blocking pockets, no? Who the hell wants to play that kind of game?!?)
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In 8 ball there is a solid reason to put in one of your opponents balls. What if he has one of his balls hanging in a pocket that blocks some of your shots? Then you have a chance to make your shot and put his ball in at the same time to clear the pocket for some of your object balls for later ... it is suddenly a huge advantage to put his object ball in.
 
edep12 said:
Stupid rule!

Making your opponents ball should be its own penalty (i.e. "I just accidently made one of my opponents balls, therefore he has less balls on the table now and is ultimately closer to winning" = Isn't that kind of its own self critiquing experience? Why should a guy get an additional break because he can't get his own damn balls off the table? Would seem to encourage guys sluffing off shots blocking pockets, no? Who the hell wants to play that kind of game?!?)
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Virtually every (english) english 8 ball player, sadly. It is mission impossible to get them to see sense.
 
After reading all of your responses, it seems like the rule is at the same time upgrading defensive play, but reducing offensive options and downgrading probability play. Both versions make sense in one way or the other.
 
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