Lost mydraw shot......

Standbykid

Standbykid

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Well, after years of being able to draw the rock pretty well, I can't draw it all. Literally, it becomes a stop shot, the cue ball flies off the table or it rolls backwards 2-3 inches and that's it.

No changes in my equipment or anything. The same Nitti I've been using for a year with a 12.75 stock shaft (Tried a low deflection a while back and didn't care for it).

I'm stuck. I'm sure it's mental but I can't get past it. Haven't been able to draw at all the last two weeks. I've watched some videos, read a couple of my instructional books and......nothing.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeremy
 
Standbykid said:
Well, after years of being able to draw the rock pretty well, I can't draw it all. Literally, it becomes a stop shot, the cue ball flies off the table or it rolls backwards 2-3 inches and that's it.

No changes in my equipment or anything. The same Nitti I've been using for a year with a 12.75 stock shaft (Tried a low deflection a while back and didn't care for it).

I'm stuck. I'm sure it's mental but I can't get past it. Haven't been able to draw at all the last two weeks. I've watched some videos, read a couple of my instructional books and......nothing.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeremy
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There is a video that you must see and guaranteed to help your problem....




that is the video of your stroke.
 
Strike as low and as quickly as you can, and make sure you follow through with your stroke.
 
Standbykid said:
Well, after years of being able to draw the rock pretty well, I can't draw it all.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeremy
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Get something to write on
Get something to write with
Put pen to paper and draw a circle
Put a small red circle or blue dot or bunch of red dots, whatever you like

You've now drawn your rock

Rejoice
 
lReply to lost draw shot.

Interesting on the timing. I just got a couple of LD shafts & I kind of lost it with them but... they are new shafts & tips. In the past I always drew the ball with knid of a pop & retreat stroke w/ not much follow thru & it worked great for me. In fact I could not draw it much @ all with a follow thru stroke. Anyway I could not believe that these new tipped high tech shafts could not draw the ball or rather that I could not do it with them. So... I tried what didn't work for me before, that is, stroking thru the ball with with some but not too much follow thru & vwa la it's drawing on a string. Now I did this in between games while not playing. Sometimes you just have to kind of pound some balls when U don't have to worry about the outcome. I don't know but maybe the lighter LD shafts or laminated tips just require a different sroke than I used in the past with different equipment. I know my situation is diferent from yours but I would suggest you practice the technigues without being concerned with a specific result. Just do it til you find a way to get it done, I don't think I would ever want to play pool if could not draw the ball. I hit most of my shots with some left or right draw unless the road map says otherwise. Good luck with it & I hope they both come back to you, the technique followed by the cue ball.
 
Practice

You literally need to practice your way out of it. Set up small draw shots of a few inches and practice repeatedly. Change to shots requiring a diamond worth of draw and repeat. Then go for longer draws. At any time during this if you get bored or frustrated you need to stop and just shoot a few balls around until you get back to an even keel then resume drills. Good luck.
 
Keep the hand on the wrap loose don't have a tight grip and at the end of your stroke give the wrist a little forward flick.Try it and thank me later.
Also don't tense up,loose muscles are strong muscles. Stay loose.
 
Standbykid said:
Well, after years of being able to draw the rock pretty well, I can't draw it all. Literally, it becomes a stop shot, the cue ball flies off the table or it rolls backwards 2-3 inches and that's it.

No changes in my equipment or anything. The same Nitti I've been using for a year with a 12.75 stock shaft (Tried a low deflection a while back and didn't care for it).

I'm stuck. I'm sure it's mental but I can't get past it. Haven't been able to draw at all the last two weeks. I've watched some videos, read a couple of my instructional books and......nothing.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeremy
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I had the exact same thin happen to me, and it frustrated me for quite a while. I found at that I had started gripping the use too tightly when accelerating my hand forward for the draw shot causing a quick dip in the cue tip before impact that was jumping the cb up. The key for
Me to fix it was a smooth instead of violent acceleration from pause to stroke, and using my hand more as a cradle for the cue than a grip. The more I let the cue simply sit on my fingers (knuckles for the v grip that I use), and let simply pivot there as I stroke forward, the more action I get on the cb. The more I grip it, the more it decreases or miscues.
 
Jeremy, here's some potentially helpful advice for you. A friend of mine told me last month he was having the same kind of slump you mention with regard to his draw and could find no way out of it.

I knew from watching him in the past that his contact point on the CB when applying any kind of spin tended to become progressively more erroneous from time to time -- especially when the demands of his job left him less time to practice.

I arranged to meet him in the pool room and saw that sure enough, some hitches in his delivery stroke allowed inaccuracies to creep in. And most relevantly, he has always played with much too long of a bridge which amplified the errors in his delivery stroke.

Contrary to the usual advice of slightly lengthening the bridge for better draw, I convinced him to try some draw shots with his bridge hand *much closer* to the CB.

Then I had him start his aim on the draw shot by touching the table first with his cuetip (creating the playing surface into a kind of gauge) then move his cuetip about a tip, to tip and a half above that gauge point (much more accurate than judging from the CB center down), and on his delivery strokes: shoot *thru* rather than *at* the CB.

He began drawing beautifully and was amazed how cutting his bridge length in half had so radically increased the repeatability and reliability of his draw stroking. I also think that in our trials for his benefit, he was now concentrating more on a precise CB contact point, leading to more confident and therefore more relaxed arm muscles and far fewer hitches in his delivery stroke.

Hope the above pointers lead to a series of similarly successful practice trials for you and renewed confidence in your draw shots.

Arnaldo
 
Happened to a friend. He was dropping his back hand and wasn't striking the cue ball where he intended to. Max Eberle covers this on his website if I remember correctly. Hope you get it back soon. :grin:
 
arnaldo said:
Jeremy, here's some potentially helpful advice for you. A friend of mine told me last month he was having the same kind of slump you mention with regard to his draw and could find no way out of it.

I knew from watching him in the past that his contact point on the CB when applying any kind of spin tended to become progressively more erroneous from time to time -- especially when the demands of his job left him less time to practice.

I arranged to meet him in the pool room and saw that sure enough, some hitches in his delivery stroke allowed inaccuracies to creep in. And most relevantly, he has always played with much too long of a bridge which amplified the errors in his delivery stroke.

Contrary to the usual advice of slightly lengthening the bridge for better draw, I convinced him to try some draw shots with his bridge hand *much closer* to the CB.

Then I had him start his aim on the draw shot by touching the table first with his cuetip (creating the playing surface into a kind of gauge) then move his cuetip about a tip, to tip and a half above that gauge point (much more accurate than judging from the CB center down), and on his delivery strokes: shoot *thru* rather than *at* the CB.

He began drawing beautifully and was amazed how cutting his bridge length in half had so radically increased the repeatability and reliability of his draw stroking. I also think that in our trials for his benefit, he was now concentrating more on a precise CB contact point, leading to more confident and therefore more relaxed arm muscles and far fewer hitches in his delivery stroke.

Hope the above pointers lead to a series of similarly successful practice trials for you and renewed confidence in your draw shots.

Arnaldo
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Buddy Hall said on long draw shots shorten the the bridge a little and slide the grip hand a little to the rear.
 
Failed draws are due to tip location and tentative strokes. I think alot of people who drop their elbow can have draw issues, if they drop the elbow early meaning pre-contact then the tip goes up and if you are above the equator then you will not get reverse spin.

Take all the stripes line them up on the head string. Line them up so the stripe on each is perpendicular to the path for each ball going into the far corner pocket. No get behind one of the stripe balls, Imagine shooting it into the far corner with the ball spinning backwards all the way. You want a relaxed grip on the butt of the cue. Now shoot the ball address the cue ball very low. Do not jack the butt up to get the tip low keep the butt / stroke hand low to get the tip low press the bridge down.

Practice strokes should be medium to long, consistent length, sloooooow back swing. After the warmup strokes stop the tip at the cue ball check the path to pocket and tip location on the cue ball. If you commit to shoot slooooow back swing stroke through the cue ball to your finish position, Do not move -- Freeze watch the stripe enter the pocket it should be spinning backward now move your eyes back to the tip is it in line, is it on the cloth, Do this with all of the stripes, stroke, evaluate before you get up.

After a set or two of that then put cue ball on center spot, OB in side pocket shoot a draw shot, try to draw across table to scratch do not jump up. Cue ball will spin backwards if tip is low and has velocity through the cue ball. Do not hit at the cue ball shoot through the cue ball. Tip location and velocity. If you want good action off an object ball hit it full while the cue ball is spinning backwards. It will draw for you.
 
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measureman said:
Buddy Hall said on long draw shots shorten the the bridge a little and slide the grip hand a little to the rear.
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See and I find it easier to shorten up on grip hand. BUt it is tough to argue with Buddy.
To the OP: also when I am frustrated I tend to grip by grip hand to tight and that just feeds the problem. Are you gripping too tight?
 
I am with measure man all day on this.
The draw is is all in the wrist.
It took me 8 weeks to get my draw shot the way I liked it and knew I could depend on it.
 
Standbykid said:
Well, after years of being able to draw the rock pretty well, I can't draw it all. Literally, it becomes a stop shot, the cue ball flies off the table or it rolls backwards 2-3 inches and that's it.

No changes in my equipment or anything. The same Nitti I've been using for a year with a 12.75 stock shaft (Tried a low deflection a while back and didn't care for it).

I'm stuck. I'm sure it's mental but I can't get past it. Haven't been able to draw at all the last two weeks. I've watched some videos, read a couple of my instructional books and......nothing.

Any help would be appreciated.


Jeremy
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Just keep at it,it will come back.
 
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Standbykid said:
Well, after years of being able to draw the rock pretty well, I can't draw it all. Literally, it becomes a stop shot, the cue ball flies off the table or it rolls backwards 2-3 inches and that's it.

No changes in my equipment or anything. The same Nitti I've been using for a year with a 12.75 stock shaft (Tried a low deflection a while back and didn't care for it).

I'm stuck. I'm sure it's mental but I can't get past it. Haven't been able to draw at all the last two weeks. I've watched some videos, read a couple of my instructional books and......nothing.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeremy
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That problem has creeped into my game too, lately, on occasion. I've had instructors and others watch, but they don't see anything.

I finally discovered that I am twitching my shoulder UP, just as I stroke. This, of course, lowers the tip and off the table goes the ball. When I try not to miscue, a stop shot happens. It is frustrating, isn't it? Especially when we know how to draw the rock. :angry:

My amateur advice is to pay attention to your shoulder and see if that isn't happening for you, too. I do a final shot thought of relaxing the shoulder.

fwiw,

Jeff Livingston
 
mattb said:
You literally need to practice your way out of it. Set up small draw shots of a few inches and practice repeatedly. Change to shots requiring a diamond worth of draw and repeat. Then go for longer draws. At any time during this if you get bored or frustrated you need to stop and just shoot a few balls around until you get back to an even keel then resume drills. Good luck.
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After the shoulder thingy, then do this.

Jeff Livingston
 
Smooth stroke, good followthrough and, until you get it back, focus on the cue ball when you shoot. It appears, by not drawing sometimes and miscueing others, you may not be striking the cue ball accurately.
 
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