Low Deflection Shaft/Jump Cue Combo?

peter_gunn said:
^^ amazing Neil

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Love the screen name, good show and the name of my favorite cat. It is a great shot but honestly what’s expected accuracy?

I see that all the time the extreme jump....even if it does that freak chit easy Peasy......that’s never the one we’re shooting lol.

Wut bout dem udder chots?


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Poodle of Doom said:
While competing in a local tournament, I noticed another person using a jump cue on one of their shots. While this wouldn't normally draw my attention in any special way, something about it caught me off guard. This caused me to do a bit of a double take, upon which I noticed that they had a Venom2 low deflection shaft on it. Although I didn't get a close enough look at it, I presume that they had upgraded the tip to a phenolic (or similarly hard) tip.

This was interesting to me, due in part to the fact that I hadn't considered using a low deflection shaft on a jump cue. I have a few friends that have jump cues, along with jump/break cue combos (which I also have, and use). All of these people are using the standard shaft for their cue.

I'm trying to figure out the benefits of using a low deflection shaft on a jump cue. Would it make it more accurate?

My thoughts are this: On one hand, I suspect not, because the amount of time the tip comes into contact with the cue ball versus the forward momentum being place on the cue ball would be significantly less than what would occur during a normal forward stroke. As a result, it would seem that you would lack ample opportunity to reap the benefits of the shaft if this thought process is correct. On the other hand, considering how briefly you are contacting the cue ball, and how little opportunity you have to apply forward momentum, it would seem prudent to control as many variables in a situation like that as possible; not only to increase your odds of making contact with the object ball, but to possibly pocket it and/or gain position.

I'm curious to know your thoughts on this subject as well. A simple google search hadn't turned up any significantly relevant results. I look forward to hearing from all of you folks on this subject.

-Poodle of Doom
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Florian is sponsored by Mezz. The Venom cue is made by Mezz, it has the same tip and ferrule as their Aridrive. It looks to have a different joint and pooldawg for some reason says it`s an ash shaft, but from all the pictures I could find, it`s clearly a maple shaft. Even the taper seems to be just the same as Mezz Airdrive.
These shafts are not low deflection and why would you want a low deflection jump cue? You want that ball to jump out of the shafts way, not the other way around.
 
Kim Bye said:
These shafts are not low deflection and why would you want a low deflection jump cue? You want that ball to jump out of the shafts way, not the other way around.
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Given the physics as I've observed them in slow motion videos, and tutorials online, this was essentially what I was concerned about. It made no sense to me whatsoever.
 
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What actually happens, is the shaft bounces off the cue ball, while it is being depressed into the table surface. Then the cue is clear of the ball, and the ball free to move from the energy that was imparted to it. LD jump shafts work. It was discovered for me, when I just got my play shaft, put my at the time break tip on it, and a guy did a jump shot with just the shaft only. His comment was wow, that jumps with just no effort at all really. So became the J-100 jump cue. The shaft is what I was making and selling back in 2006 to 2012.
Neil
 
Jumping with low deflection seems somewhat counter intuitive. Simply because the theory of low deflection equates to less mass on the front end of the shaft.

Many of my friends and myself find it easier to have some heft *weight in the front end of the short jump cue to enable the jump easier. Especially with dart method.

We tested the Predator Air 2 vs a heavier front ended X-breaker jump/break cue..with the only the jump section.

time and time again the x-breaker jumped over the moon.

While using the lighter weighted predator jump air 2 was struggling to simply lift. *this was for pencil or dart method.

Keep in mind neither shaft was considered low deflection..but as dr. dave's slow motion video displays low deflection shafts are getting out of the way of the cue ball enabling a more accurate shot.

But this is not necessarily what you want when jumping the cue ball.

You want the cue ball to jump out of the way of the shaft.

The jump cue that is made with carbon fiber might have more to with the stiffness and integrity of the material and not necessarily with the low deflection properties.

More information is needed before we can determine if low deflection properties itself leads to jumping easier.

The best advice would be from someone like florian/mike massey/dr cue rossman...these guy are master at the jump technique.
 
mrinsatiable said:
Jumping with low deflection seems somewhat counter intuitive. Simply because the theory of low deflection equates to less mass on the front end of the shaft.

Many of my friends and myself find it easier to have some heft *weight in the front end of the short jump cue to enable the jump easier. Especially with dart method.

We tested the Predator Air 2 vs a heavier front ended X-breaker jump/break cue..with the only the jump section.

time and time again the x-breaker jumped over the moon.

While using the lighter weighted predator jump air 2 was struggling to simply lift. *this was for pencil or dart method.

Keep in mind neither shaft was considered low deflection..but as dr. dave's slow motion video displays low deflection shafts are getting out of the way of the cue ball enabling a more accurate shot.

But this is not necessarily what you want when jumping the cue ball.

You want the cue ball to jump out of the way of the shaft.

The jump cue that is made with carbon fiber might have more to with the stiffness and integrity of the material and not necessarily with the low deflection properties.

More information is needed before we can determine if low deflection properties itself leads to jumping easier.

The best advice would be from someone like florian/mike massey/dr cue rossman...these guy are master at the jump technique.
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Lots of good info. Thanks folks.
 
Poodle of Doom said:
When I tested out a Revo, I thought the shaft was kind of stiff. Are the Revo shafts considered low deflection?
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Yeah most shafts now besides standard Maple shafts are considered low deflection. I have a LD Jacoby ultra pro shaft, it's the stiffest thing I've ever used and for me its the best LD shaft that I've used. Something about the hit make me feel good about it.

Also I just bought a poison vx4 jump cue with the venom 2 low deflection shaft and this will technically be the 5th jump cue I've owned. First one I used was a poison and my memory recalls it was good.

I can compare the predator, poison, Jacoby, Fury jump break, McDermott stinger and McDermott jump break.

Fury jump break hands down right now was my best one. The phenolic ferrule/tip was what made it so good.

Next Jacoby, 3rd is the poison but that was only because I used it when I didn't know how to jump. Predator, McDermott jump break, McDermott stinger.

I ranked predator so low because I just don't like their product. I've used all of their shafts 314-2 , z-2, V, and revo. Really threw off my shot because they feel completely different than what I like. Went to the Jacoby and immediately felt like it was massively better for my stroke. All of predators cues feel the same to me and I don't know how to explain it but it just doesn't feel good to me. Few of our local guys swore by predator in 2015 but now there all using different shafts. I think they're good but just not for me.
 
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