Who makes the CF with a 13mm shaft? I thought they were smaller. I prefer 13. What do you mean by the weight being different? How much and what is the total weight of the shaft?
Low deflection shafts and BHE
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The 314 and the Revo 12.4 are indistinguishable in aim, imo of playing both. Stay within the Predator family and there won’t be any adjustment needed.
You do realize the 314 you have now is THE original “low deflection shaft” all others have been measured against….
Even today it’s about as good as it gets if you want low deflection.
In my opinion, the Mezz WX900 shaft has less deflection than any shaft in the predator line.
That said, I don’t use it, I use the Mezz EXpro shaft. I’ve discovered that I prefer a bit more deflexion than I was getting from the thinner WX900 shaft. Maybe that’s because I use BHE.
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I miss...I don't think my normal bridge length is long enough to match the pivot point of the CF shaft.....using a more FHE (the way I apply it) I think stretches out the pivot point and makes it work .....The way apply it pretty much feels like I just stroke parallel to the center CB shot line...but I don't think I am actually moving my grip hand.
I had a GO Custom 13mm CF shaft. Their website only shows they make 12.9 as their largest, but mine was marked 13. I bought it used, so it my have been a special order.
I have 4 CF shafts. 2 are 13mm, one is 12.5 and stays in the case. The other is a 12.9 from Rhino w a 5/16- 14 piloted for Joss cues that lines up perfectly. The brass insert they used makes the back end heavy. Shifts the balance point way back. Am adjusting. Total weight: too heavy. Lol. Phenolic woulda carved some of that off, but truth be told, I liked seeing that brass in there. Reminded me of older cues b4 phenolic became all the rage. Granted, weight issues are there. But I like a heavier, longer cue anyway bcuz I'm 6'4" and have elbow drop w firm pocketing speed. Just love the sound a solid stroked ball makes when hitting a GC pocket dead solid perfect!!! No other make table has this.
Confused yet?? I sure am.
My original 314 has plenty of deflection. My later 314 versions have less deflection. Personally, I can use backhand english as part of my normal routine with my original 314, but not the same method with, say, a 314-3. The Tiger Ultra X LD shafts are super close to the original 314 shafts in terms of deflection. I wouldn’t call them low deflection by today’s terms.
You did a good job. I got the info and numbers I'm pretty much looking for. Thanks. At 6'4" you at least won't have to use a milk crate to stand on like Mosconi did as a little kid or worry about your hips being above the rails.I have 4 CF shafts. 2 are 13mm, one is 12.5 and stays in the case. The other is a 12.9 from Rhino w a 5/16- 14 piloted for Joss cues that lines up perfectly. The brass insert they used makes the back end heavy. Shifts the balance point way back. Am adjusting. Total weight: too heavy. Lol. Phenolic woulda carved some of that off, but truth be told, I liked seeing that brass in there. Reminded me of older cues b4 phenolic became all the rage. Granted, weight issues are there. But I like a heavier, longer cue anyway bcuz I'm 6'4" and have elbow drop w firm pocketing speed. Just love the sound a solid stroked ball makes when hitting a GC pocket dead solid perfect!!! No other make table has this.
Confused yet?? I sure am.
dendweller
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Not sure I understand that. I'd think any swerve would be back towards to the target, away from the direction of deflection.
dendweller
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I have a 20-24 year old 314. I played a revo the other day and it seemed way lower than the older 314.
You’d be correct if you were using too long of a bridge for your shaft’s PP - that would be undercorrecting for deflection.
But the shot I’m talking about, where your bridge is too short for a low or ultra-low deflection shaft and you use BHE, is overcorrecting for deflection. So for example, the shaft points too far right when using right english, it misses the target right, and can also swerve further right.
It’s better to use too long of a bridge with BHE, especially when elevated or hitting softly, where at least the swerve has a chance to save the shot.
dendweller
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makes sense
Not to burst any bubbles here, but the custom LD I got from Stephen at Joss rivals any I've ever hit with. Including the best that kitty cat ever made!!
I don’t know what “best” means, but Stephen is a great and under-rated cuemaker. Jacoby also makes an amazing product.
dendweller
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This is the funny thing about chasing lower and lower deflection. Some shots, like inside, start seming to require very little correction. Then you shoot one down the rail with low outside and over cut it by a mile because the swerve has now become the bigger concern.
At least, that was my experience spending an afternoon with a revo.
That was absolutely my experience as well. Which is why I got away from low low deflection. Too counter-intuitive.