Made changes suggested by you guys, posted 9-Ball Ghost videos – feedback appreciated

DeadStick

DeadStick

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Hi again everyone. Yesterday I posted some stroke videos in this thread:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=4174568

and got some great feedback, mostly that a) I was clenching my grip too tight on finish, and b) I was standing too far from the CB at address.

I had a chance today to work on these things today. I moved my grip hand forward about 2 inches, stood about 4 inches close to the CB, and shortened my bridge a tad. Keeping my grip relaxed through to finish was the hardest part for me... adding power without clenching my fist felt like I might throw the cue. Overall it felt pretty good after a bit of practice, but threw my speed control off a little. That said, here are the results... would love your feedback:

STROKE, POWER DRAW, SIDE VIEW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmCwTdx3Q9A

9-BALL GHOST GAME 1 (ugly runout):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDlhRFJmD9c

9-BALL GHOST GAME 2 (ugly runout):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACSJT2ITTZo

9-BALL GHOST GAME 3 (sweet save on the 4, dogged an easy 7):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWBCJU3AxiI

9-BALL GHOST GAME 4 (dogged a thin rail cut on the 9):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LiCR_t-kD8

Thanks everyone!
 
I think you see what you did on the last 8 ball.... real good shooting though! A few mistakes, but looked pretty good!
 
Neil said:
I think you see what you did on the last 8 ball.... real good shooting though! A few mistakes, but looked pretty good!
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Thanks Neil. Yeah, I wanted to be on the other side of the 8, but didn't draw enough off the 7. As played, I should have used some inside on the 8 to bring it straighter back down the table, but then the side pocket would have come in play. I definitely deserved that shot on the 9. :)
 
DeadStick said:
Thanks Neil. Yeah, I wanted to be on the other side of the 8, but didn't draw enough off the 7. As played, I should have used some inside on the 8 to bring it straighter back down the table, but then the side pocket would have come in play. I definitely deserved that shot on the 9. :)
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On the 8, you did drop your elbow a ways, and I don't think you hit the cb where you wanted to because of it.

Depending on just how good that table draws, it looks like you could have drawn back off the 8 also and had a decent shot on the 9.
 
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Neil said:
On the 8, you did drop your elbow a ways, and I don't think you hit the cb where you wanted to because of it.

Depending on just how good that table draws, it looks like you could have drawn back off the 8 also and had a decent shot on the 9.
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I was slightly surprised he didn't draw back, especially as he gets a lot of gear on the CB with apparent ease.
 
Still would get closer. Then more errors would be gone. You tighten up from being back on that right foot that pulls you off the ball causing you to tighten up...please try it simple, correct solution!
 
the kidd said:
Still would get closer. Then more errors would be gone. You tighten up from being back on that right foot that pulls you off the ball causing you to tighten up...please try it simple, correct solution!
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Whoever you are, how could you possibly think that leaning forward will help any player? Where did you learn to play like that? How long have you been teaching pool and what is your success rate in teaching players to lean forward? I'm curious, because as I wrote before, I think that's the worst advice anyone could offer a player.
 
You're looking good, DeadStick. Be careful about over correcting and standing too close. I'm not a fan of bent bridge arms although some players do it at times.

Playing the ghost is fun, and you're capable of running out, so take it to the next level and go for break and runs and watch your game really take off.
 
the kidd...You don't know what you're talking about. How about leaving the questions in the Ask The Instructor forum to the instructors. We don't mind when others post correct information, but yours is off the charts wrong.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

the kidd said:
Still would get closer. Then more errors would be gone. You tighten up from being back on that right foot that pulls you off the ball causing you to tighten up...please try it simple, correct solution!
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I didn't say "leaning forward" I said get closer and he said he did get 4" closer.
FranCrimi said:
Whoever you are, how could you possibly think that leaning forward will help any player? Where did you learn to play like that? How long have you been teaching pool and what is your success rate in teaching players to lean forward? I'm curious, because as I wrote before, I think that's the worst advice anyone could offer a player.
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the kidd said:
He's off balance don't you see that?
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Being 6'3", I've experimented with a bunch of different stances over the years. For the last year, I've settled on the modified snooker stance you see in the videos (locked back leg, forward leg bent and foot about 45 degrees forward and to the side). It may look off balance to you, but it feels rock-solid to me. You'd have a tough time pushing me out of the position from any angle.

Got any videos of yourself playing? Or pics of your stance? Would love to see what you consider a good stance, as I'm always open to new ideas.
 
Your stance is good your just too far away from the ball. If you were closer you would be in balance " for the shot".


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DeadStick said:
Being 6'3", I've experimented with a bunch of different stances over the years. For the last year, I've settled on the modified snooker stance you see in the videos (locked back leg, forward leg bent and foot about 45 degrees forward and to the side). It may look off balance to you, but it feels rock-solid to me. You'd have a tough time pushing me out of the position from any angle.

Got any videos of yourself playing? Or pics of your stance? Would love to see what you consider a good stance, as I'm always open to new ideas.
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I learned for the best. Abe Rosen. Joe Procida. Joe Brown.


FranCrimi said:
Whoever you are, how could you possibly think that leaning forward will help any player? Where did you learn to play like that? How long have you been teaching pool and what is your success rate in teaching players to lean forward? I'm curious, because as I wrote before, I think that's the worst advice anyone could offer a player.
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the kidd said:
I learned for the best. Abe Rosen. Joe Procida. Joe Brown.
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OK. I understand now. Abe was short in stature and he used to stand upright at the table. Standing low is a whole different ball game, kidd. I'm sure you mean well, but this is a different time and a different situation than the days of Abe Rosen.
 
bent bridge arm

FranCrimi said:
You're looking good, DeadStick. Be careful about over correcting and standing too close. I'm not a fan of bent bridge arms although some players do it at times.

Playing the ghost is fun, and you're capable of running out, so take it to the next level and go for break and runs and watch your game really take off.
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Hi FranCrimi. I would like to make some discussion about his 'bent brige arm'. You said the same thing about my stance earlier. My bridge arm is bent too. I don't know why you don't like the bent arm. But I have seen more people using a 'bent arm' than 'straight arm'. I think his stance is more like a snooker stance. I am not sure how familiar you are with the snooker players. Pretty much ALL the snooker players use a bent bridge arm. I have only seen one player using a straight arm, his name is Jamie Cope. But his stance looks really weird. I am going to attach some pictures of the world top16 snooker players below. At the same time, can you please share some pictures of people using straight arm? I am going to give that try as well. Thanks!
Stephen Hendry:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/snooker/1766367.stm
Ronie O'sullivan:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/snooker/article3404366.ece
Mark Selby:
http://www.sportinglife.com/snooker/news/article/663/8316568/selby-seeking-consistency
John Higgins:
http://blogs.bettor.com/Newspaper-hands-over-tapes-in-John-Higgins-scandal-a19211
 
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