Made the craziest shot of my life last night

[Nico]

I played the craziest shot I have ever seen last night.

My opponent noticed that my last ball was in the jaws of the corner pocket, tighly surrounded by his last three object balls. Well, he put the cueball about 2" away from my last ball, completely surrounded by his three balls. I could make my ball, but had no clear way to get the cueball back out to the other end of the table where the eightball was resting, near the opposing corner pocket.

I had an idea, elevate the cue and try to jump the cueball off my ball and over his blocking balls. So I made my last ball and the cueball jumped about 6" up in the air landing on top of the wooden part of the rail. The cueball rolled about a foot up the rail before spinning back onto the slate. It rolled down to the other end of the table about two feet from the eightball, straight in shot.

Just had to share my incredible luck, after all, 99% of the time that ball would have left the table. Some may call it a sketchy shot, but I didn't scoop the shot and the rock technically didn't leave the table.

 

[rackmsuckr]

Post it on a wei table so that we can see it. It sounds like a rail hop.

Here's one I made yesterday in a Scotch Troubles Torment (spelling is correct, lol). My husband missed shape on the 8. The cueball rolled just beyond being able to see it. It was hill-hill. We were up 4-1 in a race to 5, but he hates playing SD and we just played horribly to let them back in. Looks like we were gonna give it to them once again. This was on the loser's side to get in the money.

So I called the kick in the side and made it...clean!

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[supergreenman]

Post it on a wei table so that we can see it. It sounds like a rail hop.

Here's one I made yesterday in a Scotch Troubles Torment (spelling is correct, lol). My husband missed shape on the 8. The cueball rolled just beyond being able to see it. It was hill-hill. We were up 4-1 in a race to 5, but he hates playing SD and we just played horribly to let them back in. Looks like we were gonna give it to them once again. This was on the loser's side to get in the money.

So I called the kick in the side and made it...clean!

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LOL @ torment because that's what scotch doubles sure can be.

 

[renard]

I played the craziest shot I have ever seen last night.

My opponent noticed that my last ball was in the jaws of the corner pocket, tighly surrounded by his last three object balls. Well, he put the cueball about 2" away from my last ball, completely surrounded by his three balls. I could make my ball, but had no clear way to get the cueball back out to the other end of the table where the eightball was resting, near the opposing corner pocket.

I had an idea, elevate the cue and try to jump the cueball off my ball and over his blocking balls. So I made my last ball and the cueball jumped about 6" up in the air landing on top of the wooden part of the rail. The cueball rolled about a foot up the rail before spinning back onto the slate. It rolled down to the other end of the table about two feet from the eightball, straight in shot.

Just had to share my incredible luck, after all, 99% of the time that ball would have left the table. Some may call it a sketchy shot, but I didn't scoop the shot and the rock technically didn't leave the table.

Don't mean to rain on your parade and correct me if I'm wrong. I thought when the cueball hits wood its a foul even if it goes back on the table. Anyway...nice jump!

 

[DougT]

Don't mean to rain on your parade and correct me if I'm wrong. I thought when the cueball hits wood its a foul even if it goes back on the table. Anyway...nice jump!

Nope; my understanding is that it doesn't matter where the cue ball has been, just where it ends up.
If it's back on the table, keep shooting.

 

[Nico]

Sorry Linda, I can't use the Wei table, I'm on an older macintosh and can't seem to find plug-ins that work with my operating system.

I've attached a crude image of the shot. The red balls represent my opponents last three balls, the blue ball is my last ball. Basically I jumped the cueball off the blue ball, into the air, rolling down the rail and back onto the table towards the eightball.

Ideally I was hoping the cueball would jump up and staright backwards into the middle of the table, but I think the shot I pulled off won more applause on style points alone.

 

[Nico]

Don't mean to rain on your parade and correct me if I'm wrong. I thought when the cueball hits wood its a foul even if it goes back on the table. Anyway...nice jump!

World Standardized Rules - (BCA website)

3.28 - BALLS JUMPED OFF TABLE
Balls coming to rest other than on the bed of the table after a stroke (on the cushion top, rail surface, floor, etc.) are considered jumped balls. Balls may bounce on the cushion tops and rails of the table in play without being jumped balls if they return to the bed of the table under their own power and without touching anything not a part of the table. The table shall consist of the permanent part of the table proper. (Balls that strike or touch anything not a part of the table, such as the light fixture, chalk on the rails and cushion tops, etc., shall be considered jumped balls even though they might return to the bed of the table after contacting items which are not parts of the table proper). In all pocket billiard games, when a stroke results in the cue ball or any object ball being a jumped ball off the table, the stroke is a foul. All jumped object balls are spotted (except in 8 and 9-Ball) when all balls have stopped moving. See specific game rules for putting the cue ball in play after a jumped cue ball foul.

My ball spun back onto the slate under it's own power from the backpin the jump stroke imparted on the cueball. Nothing illegal made contact with the cueball, so it's perfectly fair.

 

[sjm]

Sorry Linda, I can't use the Wei table, I'm on an older macintosh and can't seem to find plug-ins that work with my operating system.

I've attached a crude image of the shot. The red balls represent my opponents last three balls, the blue ball is my last ball. Basically I jumped the cueball off the blue ball, into the air, rolling down the rail and back onto the table towards the eightball.

Ideally I was hoping the cueball would jump up and staright backwards into the middle of the table, but I think the shot I pulled off won more applause on style points alone.

Nice shot. Wouldn't a straight draw into the middle of opponent's three obstructing balls be almost certain to produce a shot on the eight, and an easy one at that?

 

[Nico]

Nice shot. Wouldn't a straight draw into the middle of opponent's three obstructing balls be almost certain to produce a shot on the eight, and an easy one at that?

I would have preferred to apply back spin but I was pretty backed up against the middle ball. If I could get a clean line on the bottom of the cueball and a secure bridge I would have attacked it as you said. In this particular circumstance I felt that going airborn was more natural.

Also, when drawing into an opponent's object balls, you can almost always guarantee that one of them will back itself right up against the eight, block the eight's obvious pocket or take the cueball's path away. When drawing into an object ball that is so close to the cueball, usually the cueball will stop dead and the obstructing object ball takes off on a wild tear. Look at the middle red ball.... it's begging to roll down table to block the eight, knock it in or get between the cueball and the eight. The shot I played was the highest percentage shot in my opinion because I wasn't disturbing any other balls and the cueball would come to rest on a wide open table.

I have done this type of shot a hundred times, bouncing the cueball over other balls. This was the first time the cueball really got away from me. Even with a crazy roll, it still worked out though.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Nice shot Nico!

But I would have played it as a masse shot. It would be 90% chance of pushing the reds out of the road and moving a couple of foot up table.

Just put the CB a 1/4 or 1/2 inch from your ball. A little practice with this shot and you'll get used to it. I often use it in BIH situtuations when a ball is tied up, not allowing a normal shot.

Some knowledge of the coriolis masse principle will help the prediction. i.e. The CB will take a parallel line to the line between the center of the CB where it touches the cloth and the point on the cloth where your cue is pointing when you strike the CB.

 

[Nico]

Nice shot Nico!

But I would have played it as a masse shot. It would be 90% chance of pushing the reds out of the road and moving a couple of foot up table.

Just put the CB a 1/4 or 1/2 inch from your ball. A little practice with this shot and you'll get used to it. I often use it in BIH situtuations when a ball is tied up, not allowing a normal shot.

Some knowledge of the coriolis masse principle will help the prediction. i.e. The CB will take a parallel line to the line between the center of the CB where it touches the cloth and the point on the cloth where your cue is pointing when you strike the CB.

Thanks Colin,

I like your idea, and did consider it as an option at the time, but I always feel it's better to get up and over than take a chance barreling through. The only reason there was a potential problem was because I was so close to the rail to begin with. As I mentioned in my response to SJM, object balls that are moving for no good reason almost always end up somewhere less than convenient. If they don't move, they can't harm me, and I'm very confident with my jumping abilites. This was during match play, and I was down 2 games with my opponent on the hill, so I needed magic. I won the match based on the momentum that shot gave me, so it was worth every scary second.

 

[Solartje]

hiya, first gratz on the shot sure makes a nice impression

now i do have a question. How do u make the cb jump backwords like on your picture? I know the trickshot , to use a cusion to jump over those 3 balls (just top spin and some speed) , but i dont know how u did your shot. Do u play it like a jumpshot. 45° cue angle, low hit almost straight true the core of the cb to make it jump of the ball and get backspin? (but then u had to use the spider right?)..

really im not bringing u down, i just want to learn this shot in case i ever need it.

i would have draw the ball to. with the ball u need to pot so close to the pocket, u got room enough to draw your cb in between 2 balls instead of right on the middle of the middle ball, but your looks mure impresive

 

[Nico]

hiya, first gratz on the shot sure makes a nice impression

now i do have a question. How do u make the cb jump backwords like on your picture? I know the trickshot , to use a cusion to jump over those 3 balls (just top spin and some speed) , but i dont know how u did your shot. Do u play it like a jumpshot. 45° cue angle, low hit almost straight true the core of the cb to make it jump of the ball and get backspin? (but then u had to use the spider right?)..

really im not bringing u down, i just want to learn this shot in case i ever need it.

i would have draw the ball to. with the ball u need to pot so close to the pocket, u got room enough to draw your cb in between 2 balls instead of right on the middle of the middle ball, but your looks mure impresive

There was no way to draw the cueball between the object balls, they were just too close together. My diagram is very crude because I just whipped it together quickly. I didn't play the shot that way to be impressive, it was just more practical and easier for me to do that shot since I've played it before.

How I played the shot. I aimed at the object ball so as to favor the long rail side, just right of centerball. My cue was elevated to about 45 degrees and I stroked the cueball like a normal jump shot, about a tip and a half below center, (from my elevated perspective). I used a touch of right hand english as well so the cueball would fight to get back on the table in case it landed on the rail. I stroked the shot quite firm so the cueball would be sure to get up quickly. Essentially I'm causing the cueball to rise from the slate, land on top of the rear portion of my object ball, then bounce off backwards. It's a disastrous shot if you land on the front of your ball, then you'll scratch for sure.

Were I to play this same shot again, I would aim at the short rail half of the object ball, hoping the cueball would bounce to the middle of the table. Hidsight is always 20/20.

 

[Solartje]

ok thx for the info m8. Ill put it on my list of shots ill have a go for in practice. I didnt knew a cb could bounce backwords so much to land on the rail or even behind the 3 balls. Being a old snooker player, this is just the kind of shot NO snooker player would EVER train or even think about. thank u very much.

ps did u use the spider or the rest to get the 45° angle? or are u left handend and bend over the side rail?

 

[jsp]

...Well, he put the cueball about 2" away from my last ball, completely surrounded by his three balls.

Did your opponent have ball in hand? If so, he made a stupid decision...at least according to your picture. If he didn't have ball in hand...how did he manage to get the CB in that position in your picture?

...I had an idea, elevate the cue and try to jump the cueball off my ball and over his blocking balls.

You're lucky the shot ended up the way it did, because your original idea defies the laws of physics. It's impossible to have the CB hit an OB and bounce backwards, much less bounce backwards and over another OB inches behind the original placement of the CB.

If you had the room to cue the CB at a 45 degree angle, then you definitely should have tried to masse the ball.

 

[NaClBandit]

Some knowledge of the coriolis masse principle will help the prediction. i.e. The CB will take a parallel line to the line between the center of the CB where it touches the cloth and the point on the cloth where your cue is pointing when you strike the CB.

Colin,

Can you try reword this? It's a little confusing. I know you're capable of a quick diagram too if you feel so inclined.

Thanks!