Magic Rack and Joshua Filler's 7-pack

JAM

JAM

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Though today I am a railbird, I used to play, competing on the leagues and in local tournaments., I also went on the road a few years in the '80s with a road player. As such, I really do understand all games of pocket billiards.

I made a thread on my Facebook page about Joshua Filler's 7-pack, and much to my surprise, my other half posted on my thread he thought the Magic Rack shouldn't be allowed. I asked him privately why. Well, I thought about it. Doesn't the Magic Rack create the perfect rack with no cracks? Doesn't a pool player have to break perfectly each time in order for the wing ball to fly in the side? In comparison, when pins are racked in a bowling alley, doesn't the bowler have to hit them perfeclty in order to make a strike?

Some pros today practice their breaks. I saw Earl Strickland do it over and over again at many tournaments. Shane Van Boening is also a break mechanic. The break, at least in my eyes today, is just as important as having the ability to run out. Without a good break, even if you can run out, you will never be able to dominate. The break is THAT important.

In my eyes, the only way the Magic rack cannot be perfect is if the placement is off a few millimeters on the spot. By my own admission, I've never played pool with a Magic Rack and would enjoy hearing thoughts from others who have.

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jasonlaus said:
Ghost or Pro Ghost? Also no pressure without an opponent sitting across from ya.

Just sayin
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No bih after the break and the pattern never sees an early 9 combo.

If I, prob around 200 Fargo below top pro, can do it then it is incomprehensible to find those pros cant do way better.

Pressure doesn't really factor in when considering this.
 
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maybe its not about how many racks are being run as opposed to how often a ball is made on the break.
to run big packs you need to have it so a ball goes almost everytime on the break.

should the break have a ball go almost everytime.
 
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Jimmy_Betmore said:
Holy hell... I did not know that. Thanks for the info. For anyone wondering, here it is straight from the site.

Running Out the Set Rule
In matches with a “Winner Breaks” format, if a player runs out the entire set without their opponent ever going to the table (other than the lag and to take the opening break shot of the match), the opponent will then have one opportunity to break and match the run. If the opponent can accomplish this, one more game will be played to decide the match with the players lagging for the break.
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And it's never happened - just shows how insane all these posters are, derby has been around since the 90s with 400 - 500 players per year and it's NEVER happened
 
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Black-Balled said:
No bih after the break and the pattern never sees an early 9 combo.

If I, prob around 200 Fargo below top pro, can do it then it is incomprehensible to find those pros cant do way better.

Pressure doesn't really factor in when considering this.
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I've run 7 racks 3 different times with a wooden rack.

Just show where all these sets are being run out


I know, the game is too easy and whoever wins the lag wins, and as soon as the lag is over the other player might as well just unscrew and wait for their match in the losers bracket where they can lag again and then unscrew if they lose the lag
 
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jasonlaus said:
And it's never happened - just shows how insane all these posters are, derby has been around since the 90s with 400 - 500 players per year and it's NEVER happened
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I've seen both players run sets on a bar box or at least damn close, so why is it so insane to talk about it? Just because we are talking about the DDC doesn't mean that is the only tournament to consider. Obviously, someone has thought about this scenario prior to this thread, so what does it hurt to have it in the rules?
 
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jason said:
I've seen both players run sets on a bar box or at least damn close, so why is it so insane to talk about it? Just because we are talking about the DDC doesn't mean that is the only tournament to consider. Obviously, someone has thought about this scenario prior to this thread, so what does it hurt to have it in the rules?
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I think it's a great rule!

My comment was about the everybody running out the set BS, again, when has it happened?
 
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jasonlaus said:
I know, the game is too easy and whoever wins the lag wins, and as soon as the lag is over the other player might as well just unscrew and wait for their match in the losers bracket where they can lag again and then unscrew if they lose the lag
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Again, you are looking for the most extreme to be the only satisfactory evidence.

I see no allegations that too many matches are won from the lag.
 
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JAM said:
Well, we'll never know for sure, I guess, without a recording. I am very disappointed. I'm looknig for even a reel of one shot by Joshua in this match. Just one friggin' shot, a bank, a break. I'll take anything. :)
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JAM said:
I'm a huge fan for good pool, as I'm sure we all are. I just wanna see the 30-minute match bewteen Joshua Filler and Shane Van Boening at the 2025 Derby City Classic. It's epic. Where is it? I've searched everywhere. What a shame it was not recorded. These are the matches that not only make pool fun to watch, but they are poetry in motion!
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accustats is PPV and it was on the PPV table. they don't do highlights or compressed matches to my knowledge.

honestly i don't understand why they just put it on the tube like a week after. most people pay for the live PPV anyway. if sport isn't live i'm not super interested personally. but pool is kinda unique in it's history with "after the fact" viewing, up until recently
 
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jasonlaus said:
And it's never happened - just shows how insane all these posters are, derby has been around since the 90s with 400 - 500 players per year and it's NEVER happened
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I wonder what the realistic betting odds would be of SVB, Filler, Fedor or any of the elite pros running out their chance at the table after their opponent ran out the set.
 
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