make Derby straight pool better!!!!!

millertime77

millertime77

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After listening American Billiard Radio
got to thinking, I was one of the people that watched the the Derby 14.1 straight pool Live stream as much as I could! I found very interesting and educating cause I struggle some times on breaking out tied up balls!

Would it be awesome if the Derby 14.1 straight pool was on a old 4x8 and see how high the runs would go!
 
yes!

millertime77 said:
After listening American Billiard Radio
got to thinking, I was one of the people that watched the the Derby 14.1 straight pool Live stream as much as I could! I found very interesting and educating cause I struggle some times on breaking out tied up balls!

Would it be awesome if the Derby 14.1 straight pool was on a old 4x8 and see how high the runs would go!
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I've heard similar ideas talked about (Justin C., John S., etc...). I think it would be very cool to have a 4x8 Brunswick -set up similarly to that used by Mosconi- set up at Derby. You could charge players $50-$100 per attempt (??) with perhaps a redo if you don't get out of the first rack, and give a $50k prize to the first person to break Mosconi's record. With the entry fees, video rights, it may even end up paying for itself.

Furthermore, if nobody breaks Mosconi's record during the Derby, you could crate the table and bring it around to the major tournaments (US open, world straight pool, etc...) as a side attraction.

I think this would not only be cool, but could actually fuel a sort of revival of Pool in the mainstream.

let's get this done!
 
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BJTyler said:
I've heard similar ideas talked about (Justin C., John S., etc...). I think it would be very cool to have a 4x8 Brunswick -set up similarly to that used by Mosconi- set up at Derby. You could charge players $50-$100 per attempt (??) with perhaps a redo if you don't get out of the first rack, and give a $50k prize to the first person to break Mosconi's record. With the entry fees, video rights, it may even end up paying for itself.

Furthermore, if nobody breaks Mosconi's record during the Derby, you could crate the table and bring it around to the major tournaments (US open, world straight pool, etc...) as a side attraction.

I think this would not only be cool, but could actually fuel a sort of revival of Pool in the mainstream.

let's get this done!
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Don't forget to use composition balls, dead rails, and slow, nappy cloth. On a loose 4 x 8 with new Simonis 860 cloth and Aramith or Centennial balls and today's live rails, Mosconi might have run 2,000.

Still, I like where you are coming from. The reason the Derby 14.1 Challenge does not produce really big runs is that the pockets are tighter than they should be. Make the pockets 4 7/8" on the 4 1/2' x 9' table and guys like Hohmann and Schmidt would have a chance to put up a very big number and might beat Mosconi (526), Eufemia (626) and even Cranfield (768).

I agree with the premise that today's top 14.1 players (Hohmann, Feijen, Schmidt, Immonen, Ortmann) are capable of rewriting the record book.
 
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BJTyler said:
I've heard similar ideas talked about (Justin C., John S., etc...). I think it would be very cool to have a 4x8 Brunswick -set up similarly to that used by Mosconi- set up at Derby. You could charge players $50-$100 per attempt (??) with perhaps a redo if you don't get out of the first rack, and give a $50k prize to the first person to break Mosconi's record. With the entry fees, video rights, it may even end up paying for itself.

Furthermore, if nobody breaks Mosconi's record during the Derby, you could crate the table and bring it around to the major tournaments (US open, world straight pool, etc...) as a side attraction.

I think this would not only be cool, but could actually fuel a sort of revival of Pool in the mainstream.

let's get this done!
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If it is just to break Mosconi's record you could count on one hand the number of players who would actually have a chance to do it. and would play
 
or how about full contact billiards with hockey sticks instead of cues.
A whole new line of joint protectors for Jim Baxter...
 
sjm said:
Don't forget to use composition balls, dead rails, and slow, nappy cloth. On a loose 4 x 8 with new Simonis 860 cloth and Aramith or Centennial balls and today's live rails, Mosconi might have run 2,000.

Still, I like where you are coming from. The reason the Derby 14.1 Challenge does not produce really big runs is that the pockets are tighter than they should be. Make them\ pockets 4 7/8" on the 4 1/2' x 9' table and guys like Hohmann and Schmidt would have a chance to put up a very big number and might beat Mosconi (526), Eufemia (626) and even Cranfield (768).

I agree with the premise that today's top 14.1 players (Hohmann, Feijen, Schmidt, Immonen, Ortmann) are capable of rewriting the record book.
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"Don't forget to use composition balls, dead rails, and slow, nappy cloth."

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Also don't forget - they get ONE shot from whatever position an opponent has left them.

If you want a SECOND try - finish the exhibition with trick shots and some tips on
how to play pool - then get in your car and drive 50 - 100 miles to the next pool venue.

Dale
 
Sorry, but to the naysayers, is your point that since you can't perfectly replicate the conditions under which a record was set, it's futile, invalid, and/or uninteresting to try and break it? I would hope not, otherwise we should simply stop keeping sports records entirely.

Regarding the balls, cloth, and rails, john Schmidt basically said the differences between Mosconi record conditions and today's are inconsequential. However, he stated emphatically that pocket and table size are very relevant...this seems reasonable to me, and that is why I suggested a 4x8 with similar pocket dimensions.

Regarding the record having to be set under match conditions, I think this is a red herring. First, Mosconi's (and every other 14.1 record) occurred during exhibition conditions, either playing the ghost (I.e.practice) or an amateur for no stakes. There was no ducking, safeties, etc; you busted them at your first chance and ran from there. Second, even during match conditions (DAZ vs. Busty) after the run goes beyond 100, very rarely is anybody really thinking about ducking -at least not in a 150 or 200 pt match.

Regarding the first free 15, I don't think this is significant. The fact is, you are only going to set/break the record when you get an initial break shot, or the table is broken for you. So, how many "free" balls are you given by getting to set up an initial break? I would say on average, 2-3-5? But not much more. So by giving somebody a free break shot, you simply get to bypass the foreplay and get down to business.

I think this would be a very valid attempt at Mosconi's record.
 
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