Making a cue wrapless ??

jed1894

jed1894

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Hello, I have a great looking Schon cue with leather wrap I had Evan build for me a year or so ago. However, I cannot get use to this leather wrap. I have always played with linen or wrapless. I know--too nice of a cue to be experimenting with.

I'm trying to sell and/or trade over in the wanted section, but if that does not work out, I'm looking to make some changes.

So, what are my options? I was thinking of.....

a. remove leather and replace with linen.
b. coat the linen with epoxy -- make it feel wrapless.
c. match the wood with new linen and seal -- make it look like a Sneaky or Brown widow.

anything else I can do? Wood handle, etc. ?????

thanks, jed
 
jed1894 said:
Hello, I have a great looking Schon cue with leather wrap I had Evan build for me a year or so ago. However, I cannot get use to this leather wrap. I have always played with linen or wrapless. I know--too nice of a cue to be experimenting with.

I'm trying to sell and/or trade over in the wanted section, but if that does not work out, I'm looking to make some changes.

So, what are my options? I was thinking of.....

a. remove leather and replace with linen.
b. coat the linen with epoxy -- make it feel wrapless.
c. match the wood with new linen and seal -- make it look like a Sneaky or Brown widow.

anything else I can do? Wood handle, etc. ?????

thanks, jed
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I think that the if you want the wrapless feel you need to have a CM in your area put on a linen wrap and then refinish the whole cue if you want it to look right. If you want a wood handle you are looking at cutting the cue at both ends of the current handle and then coring. This should change the hit of the cue so if you're not wanting that then you should shy away from it.

Allen
 
Thanks Allen. I agree...I do not want to change the feel or hit much. So, making a wood handle is out.

The more I think about this, the more I think a coated linen wrap is the only way to go. Maybe a solid black wrap and then black points added. Then a refinish....what you think?

jed
 
I'm not a cue maker but I have a suggestion.

First, I agree, don't cut the cue. If you want a wrap-less feel just finish over a linen wrap.

But....you didn't mention a stacked leather wrap. Have you considered trying that in your quest for the feel you want?
 
jed1894 said:
Hello, I have a great looking Schon cue with leather wrap I had Evan build for me a year or so ago. However, I cannot get use to this leather wrap. I have always played with linen or wrapless. I know--too nice of a cue to be experimenting with.

I'm trying to sell and/or trade over in the wanted section, but if that does not work out, I'm looking to make some changes.

So, what are my options? I was thinking of.....

a. remove leather and replace with linen.
b. coat the linen with epoxy -- make it feel wrapless.
c. match the wood with new linen and seal -- make it look like a Sneaky or Brown widow.

anything else I can do? Wood handle, etc. ?????

thanks, jed
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Hi Jed:
You can have a linen wrap installed and possible a stacked wrap as long as who ever does it, doesn't cut the channel deeper, anything after that, such as finishing the linen over or changing the handle to wrapless and Mr. Clarke will dis-own the cue and never work on it again, EVER.
 
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Michael Webb said:
Hi Jed:
You can have a linen wrap installed and possible a stacked wrap as long as who ever does it, doesn't cut the channel deeper, anything after that, such as finishing the linen over or changing the handle to wrapless and Mr. Clarke will dis-own the cue and never work on it again, EVER.
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Sounds to me that your best bet is to live with it until you sell it so you don't screw up the value of cue and make it so the maker will not work on it. Then you will never be able to get rid of it. :(
 
jed1894 said:
Thanks Allen. I agree...I do not want to change the feel or hit much. So, making a wood handle is out.

The more I think about this, the more I think a coated linen wrap is the only way to go. Maybe a solid black wrap and then black points added. Then a refinish....what you think?

jed
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What are you talking about black points? It sounds like you just need to get rid of it and get a completely different cue.
 
Thanks to all who replied (good to hear from you Mike). Unless Evan will do something for me, I am going to sell or trade it. Looking for black widow Schon if anyone interested.

Thanks again. Jed
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I have a teja lizard wrap. It took a couple of months to get used to, but the sting ray, elephant ear, stacked leather options are out there. If you want to see about a coated wrap, try a muecci. I think they coat over the wrap. John
 
Making a wrapless cue

I had a linen cue, that was converted to a snake skin (python skin) wrap. When the snake skin was installed, the entire wrap was clear coated over - which feels exactly like a wrapless cue.

Just pointing out another possible option.
 
robertno1pool said:
I had a linen cue, that was converted to a snake skin (python skin) wrap. When the snake skin was installed, the entire wrap was clear coated over - which feels exactly like a wrapless cue.

Just pointing out another possible option.
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Very interesting. Thanks for the suggestion. After some research, the cost of doing what I want to do is not going to make it possible. The wrap on this cue is cut too deep so replacing with linen is not possible without adding some laminate wood on the handle. The cue is too heavy for me already (15.7 oz) now....I don't need more wgt. I'm trying to see if I can change the wgt bolt to make it lighter and then just deal with it.

thanks, jed
 
Why aren't you talking to Schon about your modifications?
If they built the cue for you, they should be willing to make you happy with it.
If you or someone else starts Mickey Mousing it, you're stuck with what you have.
Mike wasn't kidding when he said Evan won't touch it after someone else works on it.

How do you know that the wrap-groove is cut too deep???
Have you peeled it back and measured it?
The point of my questioning is that you don't know that it's too deep.
The thickness of today's leather wraps and linen are interchangeable.
Quit guessing and take it to someone who knows what they are doing, preferably Evan.
BTW, there's a reason the Schon wght. bolts are glued in.
Most end-users aren't qualified to do their own repair work or make modifications.
Are you qualified?
 
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Buy another cue. There are 20 people on this forum that would jump at the chance to make you another one. Give some specs and ask.

Sell the other one.

Kim
 
KJ Cues said:
Why aren't you talking to Schon about your modifications?
If they built the cue for you, they should be willing to make you happy with it.
If you or someone else starts Mickey Mousing it, you're stuck with what you have.
Mike wasn't kidding when he said Evan won't touch it after someone else works on it.
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I have talked to Schon at least 5 times in the past day or so about this trying to figure out how to get this cue right. They can make me happy and fix the cue at a cost 1/2 the price of another cue, which is fair since I ordered the cue the way it is--it's not their fault. I could care less about the warranty. I just want to use it. I'm not about to touch the cue myself (other than the wgt bolt), but I may let someone else do it other than Schon.

You obviously don't deal with Evan much. I posted here to get some options. I like Evan and talk to him often about pool stuff. He is always good for a interesting talk on pool cues. However, Evan is not very option oriented when it comes to his cues.

jed
 
You're absolutely correct, I don't deal with Evan at all.
I don't have to.
When a Schon cue comes in for a buyer and it's not to spec, it goes right back to Schon.
Other than changing a wrap, I don't touch Schon cues. I know better.
I'm not about to compromise a client's warranty.
It's your cue and you can do whatever you want with it, I don't care.
Good Luck with your efforts and I hope it turns-out to your liking.

KJ
 
KJ Cues said:
You're absolutely correct, I don't deal with Evan at all.
I don't have to.
When a Schon cue comes in for a buyer and it's not to spec, it goes right back to Schon.
Other than changing a wrap, I don't touch Schon cues. I know better.
I'm not about to compromise a client's warranty.
It's your cue and you can do whatever you want with it, I don't care.
Good Luck with your efforts and I hope it turns-out to your liking.

KJ
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KJ, After re-reading my post, I realize I may have come off as a smart ass. Sorry about that....I know you are trying to help me. I do appreciate your knowledge and time on this board.

I did have another conversation with Evan today. We talked for good while about everything but my cue. He cracks me up with his way of putting things. Finally, we got to my cue. He explained the whole ebony wood thing and told me how he made the cue, etc. He offered to do whatever I wanted to do (with a charge of course), but it's really not worth all that trouble and money when it's only a $600 cue in the first place. He can only reduce the wgt about 1/4 oz or so. He basically told me that the ebony cue is very different from the other models. So, I could spend all that money and the cue not change much.

Thanks again. jed
 
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