Malachite??

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3RAILKICK

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I have seen some cues that have a green inlay material called malachite? Is this an actual stone or some other material? It looks good- bordered in white against black-especially when there's ghostly white swirl in the green.

Is it availabe to be used as a ring material?

Anyone had experience (good or bad) with this material?

thanks,
3railkick
 
3RAILKICK said:
I have seen some cues that have a green inlay material called malachite? Is this an actual stone or some other material? It looks good- bordered in white against black-especially when there's ghostly white swirl in the green.

Is it availabe to be used as a ring material?

Anyone had experience (good or bad) with this material?

thanks,
3railkick
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I'm not positive, but I believe It is some kind of reconstituded stone. The turqoise I have is. I have seen it used in rings but have'nt used it yet. I asked the same question about using it in rings, and was told you can get it in squares, turn it to dowel, bore it, and cut rings from it, but I have not tried it myself, so it's just hear say up to this point. If it's made like the turqoise, then It may be kind of briddle, so that's something to think about also.

Greg
 
3RAILKICK said:
Is it availabe to be used as a ring material?
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Personally, I haven't worked with it, but I have a DP with a lot of malachite in it, including malachite Rings with inlays in them, and malachite inlaid into spearheads and diamonds.

I'm sure a lot of the experienced folks have used it.

Here are a few pics:

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-td
 
Mopst of the material you see is manufactured stone. It is some what brittle and therefore I don't use it for rings.
 
Cue Crazy said:
I'm not positive, but I believe It is some kind of reconstituded stone. The turqoise I have is. I have seen it used in rings but have'nt used it yet. I asked the same question about using it in rings, and was told you can get it in squares, turn it to dowel, bore it, and cut rings from it, but I have not tried it myself, so it's just hear say up to this point. If it's made like the turqoise, then It may be kind of briddle, so that's something to think about also.

Greg
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There are about 40 different stones and other hard materials that have been ground up and reconstituted into an easier to work with material. When Sherm and myself first started using torquoise we bought a chunk of it, had a stone shop slice it up in 1/8" slabs and we attempted to use it. Broke a couple hundred dollars worth of end mills in a night and all the diamonds we were attempting to cut out would have at least one of the points crack off. This new stuff is a breeze to work with.
By the way, that picture above with the Malachite is actually what is called Banded Malachite. The normal Malachite is more of a blueish green and doesn't have the white swirls. I ordered it once by mistake and although it looks much different than the Banded it still makes good looking inlays. There are 10 or 12 different types of Torquoise.
Dick
 
dp is one of the only cuemakers that I know of that uses malachite on almost all of his cues.

Just incase you wanted to buy a cue w/ malachite in it

Tony
 
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rhncue said:
There are about 40 different stones and other hard materials that have been ground up and reconstituted into an easier to work with material. When Sherm and myself first started using torquoise we bought a chunk of it, had a stone shop slice it up in 1/8" slabs and we attempted to use it. Broke a couple hundred dollars worth of end mills in a night and all the diamonds we were attempting to cut out would have at least one of the points crack off. This new stuff is a breeze to work with.
By the way, that picture above with the Malachite is actually what is called Banded Malachite. The normal Malachite is more of a blueish green and doesn't have the white swirls. I ordered it once by mistake and although it looks much different than the Banded it still makes good looking inlays. There are 10 or 12 different types of Torquoise.
Dick
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to dick

actually, some of the info you gave about the malachite is somewhat wrong,
natural malachite is green. maybe the person you buy your stone materials from might have mis-inform you. when you dig the malachite up from the earth they are just the way it is with the white swirls. as a matter of fact, the DP cue show in this forum is grade "AA" malachite.
also, as for the reconstituted malachite, i can't recall anyone in stone business will reconstitued malachite cause due to the raw materials in malachite is very expensive, no one in there right mind would do such a thing but as for the reconstitued turquoise there alot of that in the market cause some turquoise that dig out from the earth is somewhat white, they ground it down to powder & they mix color to it & try to bring back the natural color.
i hope you don't take it in the wrong way, i'm not bashing your opinion.

wawacue
 
rhncue said:
There are about 40 different stones and other hard materials that have been ground up and reconstituted into an easier to work with material. When Sherm and myself first started using torquoise we bought a chunk of it, had a stone shop slice it up in 1/8" slabs and we attempted to use it. Broke a couple hundred dollars worth of end mills in a night and all the diamonds we were attempting to cut out would have at least one of the points crack off. This new stuff is a breeze to work with.
By the way, that picture above with the Malachite is actually what is called Banded Malachite. The normal Malachite is more of a blueish green and doesn't have the white swirls. I ordered it once by mistake and although it looks much different than the Banded it still makes good looking inlays. There are 10 or 12 different types of Torquoise.
Dick
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The genuine slabs are very hard, so I believe It would destroy some endmills in numbers, and crack easy like you mentioned. I have even dropped the reconstituded on the floor, or cracked the tips off fitting It to the pockets if i tried to go in to sharp, and tight, but I'm sure It's alot easier to work with still yet. It will chip out sometimes when trimming also, even with the router. The earlier you inlay the stuff the less chipout there seems to be when you get to the final diameter.

I am kind of hesitent to use any of It in the rings for the reason Joey mentioned, but does'nt meen I would'nt atleast try it out. I'd be worried about It cracking down the line also, but I can think of a few ways to possibly keep It from compressing the ring too much, and that might help, but how it would effect the acoustics I don't know.

Greg
 
wawacue said:
to dick

actually, some of the info you gave about the malachite is somewhat wrong,
natural malachite is green. maybe the person you buy your stone materials from might have mis-inform you. when you dig the malachite up from the earth they are just the way it is with the white swirls. as a matter of fact, the DP cue show in this forum is grade "AA" malachite.
also, as for the reconstituted malachite, i can't recall anyone in stone business will reconstitued malachite cause due to the raw materials in malachite is very expensive, no one in there right mind would do such a thing but as for the reconstitued turquoise there alot of that in the market cause some turquoise that dig out from the earth is somewhat white, they ground it down to powder & they mix color to it & try to bring back the natural color.
i hope you don't take it in the wrong way, i'm not bashing your opinion.

wawacue
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You are right about the Malachite being the same color. The source that I buy from has over 75 different stones or textures and according to them they are all reconstituted stone. It was the Banded Chrysocolla and the plain Chrysocolla that are the two that have different shades. In their catalogue they have Banded Malachite and Malachite Web which have the same coloring but different textures. There are also three other materials called Azurite Malachite which are in different textures.
There are three or four different sources that sell this stuff and I imagine they all get it from the same place. Chris Hightower, who responds here often may shed a little light on this material. It has always been my assumption that these materials are made from the genuine stone or corral and if this is not true then I would certainly like to know.
Dick
 
rhncue said:
You are right about the Malachite being the same color. The source that I buy from has over 75 different stones or textures and according to them they are all reconstituted stone. It was the Banded Chrysocolla and the plain Chrysocolla that are the two that have different shades. In their catalogue they have Banded Malachite and Malachite Web which have the same coloring but different textures. There are also three other materials called Azurite Malachite which are in different textures.
There are three or four different sources that sell this stuff and I imagine they all get it from the same place. Chris Hightower, who responds here often may shed a little light on this material. It has always been my assumption that these materials are made from the genuine stone or corral and if this is not true then I would certainly like to know.
Dick
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dick

well, there is 2 or 4 different grading in malachite. the banded malachite are the better grading & the malachite without any banded they are lower grade.
as for the azurite malachite. this stone is not reconstitued. is natural lapis & malachite combine together when it dig out the earth. as for the chrysocolla
this stone is also a natural too.
i own 2 mining company out in brazil. my family in this business for over 60 years.

wawacue
 
Cue Crazy said:
The genuine slabs are very hard, so I believe It would destroy some endmills in numbers, and crack easy like you mentioned. I have even dropped the reconstituded on the floor, or cracked the tips off fitting It to the pockets if i tried to go in to sharp, and tight, but I'm sure It's alot easier to work with still yet. It will chip out sometimes when trimming also, even with the router. The earlier you inlay the stuff the less chipout there seems to be when you get to the final diameter.

I am kind of hesitent to use any of It in the rings for the reason Joey mentioned, but does'nt meen I would'nt atleast try it out. I'd be worried about It cracking down the line also, but I can think of a few ways to possibly keep It from compressing the ring too much, and that might help, but how it would effect the acoustics I don't know.

Greg
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You can minimize the friction and chatter for rings by using a step drill.
 
Michael Webb said:
You can minimize the friction and chatter for rings by using a step drill.
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Hey Mike, I appologise, but I'm alittle slow upstairs today, daughter brought the flu home from school, and been running Myself ragged, so i'm not quite all there :p.

Hows the step drill used, and what kind? are You refering to cutting the ID of the rings? I'm not sure if your refering to making the rings, or reducing chatter somehow after they're on the cue. Sorry for the confusion, I usually know what You are refering to pretty quickly, and have used quite a bit you've mentioned to me so far, so I'm always interested, but this one is slipping Me. There are several types of step drills I've seen, so I'm having a hard time picturing it in My clouded state of mind today.

Thanks, Greg
 
Step drill for the I.D. of the rings, and a deburring tool. Works out well so the rings don't crack.
I hope you and your daughter feel better.
 
Michael Webb said:
Step drill for the I.D. of the rings, and a deburring tool. Works out well so the rings don't crack.
I hope you and your daughter feel better.
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Gotcha,

That was my first thought, but the chatter had me going either way, so was'nt sure.

Thanks for the concern, We're getting through It, she's almost cleared up, atleast bouncing the walls like she's feeling better :rolleyes:. driving her mom half out of her mind. she's quite the comedian, just has a hard time giving It a rest with all that pinned up energy. I just try to hide out in the shop and stay busy ;) I'm getting over the nose stuff and starting to get through the chest part, so be feeling better soon enough.

Thanks Greg
 
of the "sensible" colors, i think green is possibly the worst color to use on a cue.
 
bruin70 said:
of the "sensible" colors, i think green is possibly the worst color to use on a cue.
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Many people don't like green in a cue but with that being said, when I build a batch of cues the one with the green ( either stain or Malachite ) is usually one of the first cues sold. Many don't like green but those that do like it love it.
Dick
 
rhncue said:
Many people don't like green in a cue but with that being said, when I build a batch of cues the one with the green ( either stain or Malachite ) is usually one of the first cues sold. Many don't like green but those that do like it love it.
Dick
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i think THE ONLY wrap that goes with malachite is cortland. and to match, i would not inlay malachite into anything but white,,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe some silver. if you're going to use green, may as well shout it out.
 
Michael Webb said:
I'd say she deserves something special for that, like a DRUM SET!
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LOL, Yeah I seem to remember how much my parents loved It when I took them up many years ago, and not understanding why It irritated them so bad. Now I fully understand. Lucky for them though I only played seriously for around 5 years, and got interested in other things. I think she's more into the vocals, but sometimes that seems almost as loud :D .
 
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