Even those can get stupidiculous.
Malvides Open 10 Ball Championship 2023 Topic
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That has always been a foul, but I thought the problem was with object balls.
Touching the cue ball early was often overlooked 20 years ago. People pay more attention to that stuff now.
Even an interference foul like this, It's immediately obvious to the player and indeed most viewers whether or not the cue ball is headed for a pocket. Obviously this one wasn't. If a ball at that speed made it into a pocket, it's the mechanic that committed the foul.
Try to define what is 'obvious' concerning cases where it's not really obvious.
The problem is much more easily solved if the shooter is simply required to wait until the CB stops rolling. Not hard to do. All problems solved.
These rules are stupid. For one thing, if the ref is at the table specifically to get the balls out of the pockets for reracking, the game is clearly over. That should nullify anything the player does at that point.
The worst of those fouls I've seen was Karl Boyes call one on Shannon Daulton at the US Open. (they were playing each other, Karl was not a ref). Maybe 5 or 8 years ago. Shannon was so hot it looked like he was going to punch him. No one would have blamed him.
If there is a ref, I think it's stupid that players can't simply wait until the CB stops rolling before touching a ball or reaching your hand in a pocket. The player doesn't even have to wait. Just walk away from the table once the money ball goes down. Absolutely no issues.
Is it legal to refuse the foul? If a foul like that was foolishly called by the ref, I would do whatever I could to not penalize my opponent. That foul goes against the intention of the rule. I'm sure the rules regarding fouls were intended to address things related to the actual game and its outcome -which that foul did not.
The other player can always foul and give BIH back to the original shooter as an act of sportsmanship. I think that's rare in recent years.
I can imagine a referee who would take personal offense at such an action and disqualify at least one of the players.
I seem to recall a few instances in recent years where give backs did happen, but maybe they weren't refereed. What would be the basis for disqualification, unsportsmanlike conduct?
Edit: SVB-Yapp in the 2021 US Open on the mysterious shot clock violation on SVB (whether or not he called an extension). Yapp gave the table back after the foul, but perhaps because he told the ref that he heard SVB call for an extension.
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telinoz
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Thanks for sharing this mate.
Really? I can't think of any grounds such a disqualification could be justified if the incoming player simply intentionally fouls and gives the shot back. There are numerous situations in other sports where a player or team awards their opponent the ball or concedes a point because the ref/ump was forced to call a foul/violation. Think soccer and tennis.
And in practice, it's very usual for me to move the CB a few inches with my ferrule if I don't have a clear shot on the OB. Doesn't mean I'll have to do that in a match.
Yes, I agree.
Unfortunately, I was the "area" referee for that match.
Boyes called a foul on Shannon.
I only saw the incident moments after the fact on video.
Boyes was technically correct, so I ruled that Shannon fouled.
Boyes got a lot of heat for that.
He lost in the finals to Kevin Cheng.
The International has nullified that foul when it's after the winning match ball is legally pocketed and there's no way the the cue ball will scratch.
Pat Fleming made this a rule for the International because winning players sometimes jump on table or toss their cues on the table when they celebrate.
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CanadianGuy
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letter of the law, the ref actually inteferes before the fall with his hand on table first
Well he rimmed the pocket but he was wearing gloves.
