married balls

[Bob Jewett]

VNEA rules state that you must strike the cue ball at a 45degree ....

The 45-degree rule is hidden in their definitions. Here is that VNEA discussion:

7. PUSH SHOT FOULS: It is a foul if the cue ball is pushed by the cue tip, with contact being maintained for more than the momentary time commensurate with a stroked shot. (Such shots are usually referred to as push shots.) With a cue ball and object ball frozen, shooting the shot from any angle other than at least 45 degrees above, or at least 45 degrees to the right or at least 45 degrees to the left of center from the straight line of the frozen balls is a foul and must be so called.
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Note that this only applies to frozen balls, and is therefore completely goofy and broken. The 45-degree rule changes little about the hit for frozen balls. It can help avoid fouls on close-but-not-touching balls but doesn't always get you out of a double hit.

In fact if I want to play a push shot -- which is a shot that maintains contact much longer than usual -- I will jack up to 45 or so.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I think it's a push (foul) when cue is frozen to another ball, let's say on a straight on shot, and they are on one end of table and shooter shoots shot and sends cue to opposite end. How can cue move so far unless being pushed through by cue?

If you play in a league or an organized tournament situation you should ask for a copy of the rules before you start play. Here are the World Standardized Rules:
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/the_rules_of_play
which include this about double hits:

6.7 Double Hit / Frozen Balls
If the cue stick contacts the cue ball more than once on a shot, the shot is a foul. If the cue ball is close to but not touching an object ball and the cue tip is still on the cue ball when the cue ball contacts that object ball, the shot is a foul. If the cue ball is very close to an object ball, and the shooter barely grazes that object ball on the shot, the shot is assumed not to violate the first paragraph of this rule, even though the tip is arguably still on the cue ball when ball-ball contact is made.
However, if the cue ball is touching an object ball at the start of the shot, it is legal to shoot towards or partly into that ball (provided it is a legal target within the rules of the game) and if the object ball is moved by such a shot, it is considered to have been contacted by the cue ball. (Even though it may be legal to shoot towards such a touching or “frozen” ball, care must be taken not to violate the rules in the first paragraph if there are additional balls close by.)
The cue ball is assumed not to be touching any ball unless it is declared touching by the referee or opponent. It is the shooter’s responsibility to get the declaration before the shot. Playing away from a frozen ball does not constitute having hit that ball unless specified in the rules of the game.​

 

[jalapus logan]

Per Good Houskeeping's guide to marriage, married balls are best kept fresh if stored in a jar under the kitchen sink. They frequently occur in the color blue.

Also, just for the forum's consideration, have it occurred to any of you just how similar the word marriage is to the word mirage? Think about it...

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Also, just for the forum's consideration, have it occurred to any of you just how similar the word marriage is to the word mirage? ...

Or marital/martial.

 

[maha]

the idea of the 45 degree rule was to make it so there was no argument about the hit. it doesnt do or make bad hits anything but easy to decide upon in advance of the shot. this way before the player shoots you can decide if its going to be a foul.

otherwise there is an argument every time after the shot unless you have a referee present.

 

[poolguppy]

Also, just for the forum's consideration, have it occurred to any of you just how similar the word marriage is to the word mirage? Think about it...

You mean like how "wife/life" are a meere letter different yet don't have any intended correlation and are simply words that are structurally dictated by a 26 letter alphabet and happen to be similar? Then yes I know exactly what you mean, because I thought about it

 

[Masayoshi]

So folks will know what ur talking about....never heard the term married for balls that are frozen......not ever.

Married is somewhat rare slang, but I've heard very experienced players from CA use it on seperate occasions, so maybe its a regional term.

 

[buckshotshoey]

VNEA rules state that you must strike the cue ball at a 45degree angle from the line between the centers of the balls, if they are closer than one chalk width apart or frozen, to avoid the double hit foul. BCA league rules used to state that if the balls were determined to be frozen by both players or a ref, if there is one, that you could strike through the cue ball towards the object ball. I haven't been a BCA member for a long time so I am not sure if that still holds. As far as the Valley rules go, the intent of the rule is that the center of the cue ball cannot pass the center of the object ball unless you double hit it. Not sure I buy that, but them's the rules.

The 45-degree rule is hidden in their definitions. Here is that VNEA discussion:

7. PUSH SHOT FOULS: It is a foul if the cue ball is pushed by the cue tip, with contact being maintained for more than the momentary time commensurate with a stroked shot. (Such shots are usually referred to as push shots.) With a cue ball and object ball frozen, shooting the shot from any angle other than at least 45 degrees above, or at least 45 degrees to the right or at least 45 degrees to the left of center from the straight line of the frozen balls is a foul and must be so called.
​

Note that this only applies to frozen balls, and is therefore completely goofy and broken. The 45-degree rule changes little about the hit for frozen balls. It can help avoid fouls on close-but-not-touching balls but doesn't always get you out of a double hit.

In fact if I want to play a push shot -- which is a shot that maintains contact much longer than usual -- I will jack up to 45 or so.

Thanks. I just played in my first Valley match on Thursday. Good to know.