Matchroom Mosconi Cup Graded Scale Point Events
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I checked back through 2003 -- all double-elimination events except 2013, when they played single-elimination 2 out of 3 races to 8.
Not to worry. They have allowed 3 USA players to qualify without ever setting foot outside the USA. But it's a 5-man team. If any USA player doesn't make the top 3 in the USA events, but does well in big events outside the USA, that will bolster his credentials for one of the other two picks.
If a US player won the WPA 9-ball event I don't see how they couldn't get picked as a wild card...
that's how i read it, too.
Matchroom doesn't have to push that, it's the way things already are. I can imagine the whining if Matchroom only counted WPA events for US points. There would be really only one that more than a handful of top U.S. players attend.
You guys who are criticizing Matchroom for this have to understand that they're doing what they can given the sad state of American pro pool. They're not creating the problems, they're trying to work around them.
Right, and let's state the obvious: Shane is the only likely US contender to win a big tourney outside the U.S. like the World 9-ball, and he's going to finish at or near the top of the U.S. list anyway.
@ ATLARGE - what are his stats @ one-on-one, vs team?
Shane's Mosconi Cup record for his 8 appearances -- 2007-2014:
• Counting a full win or loss for each player in a doubles' match (i.e., not splitting the point into halves or thirds), and a win and a loss for everyone in a team match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths or sixths): 9-12 singles, 9-10 doubles, 3-5 teams, 21-27 total (winning percentage of 44%)
• Counting a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, a half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, and one-fifth of a point for each player in a team win or loss: 14.1 - 18.0 (winning percentage 44%)
thank you - that told me nothing, Honey.
i didn't know this would involve math....EDIT - i just reread this - is he better playing alone? or same as a team?
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thank you - that told me nothing, Honey.
EDIT - i just reread this - is he better playing alone? or same as a team?
With a 9-12 singles record, he's at about 43%.
thank you - that told me nothing, Honey.
EDIT - i just reread this - is he better playing alone? or same as a team?
Singles -- he has won 9 out of 21 matches = 43% wins
Doubles -- he has been on the winning side in 9 out of 19 matches = 47%
Teams -- he has been on the winning side in 3 out of 8 matches = 38%
Singles + Doubles + Teams -- he has been on the winning side in 21 of 48 matches = 44%
For comparison -- over SVB's 8 years of participation in the Mosconi Cup:
Winning percentage in singles matches
- SVB -- 43% (9 of 21)
- Other Team USA players -- 34% (18 of 53)
Team USA winning percentage in doubles matches
- Matches involving SVB -- 47% (9 of 19)
- Matches not involving SBV -- 42% (16 of 38)
Shane is a loner and a loner has to be alone. Johnnyt
I think you read it wrong-All and all SVB in the MC, whether alone or with a partner(s), wins around 45% of his matches. In the US Open the last few years he wins 100%, 97% ? something like that. In other tournies, he certainly averages WELL above 45%.
Correct. It is safe to say that SVB's match-winning percentage in regular (singles) tournaments is well above his 43% in the Mosconi Cup. But a more appropriate comparison would be his MC result versus how he has done in other tournaments against players of the same caliber as his MC opponents. In many tournaments he plays a number of lower-level players and then a few of the top guys.
I posted this in an SBE-related thread earlier today, but I thought I'd also put it in this older thread about the Mosconi Cup.
By my reckoning, the top 16 in the Mosconi Cup point standings after the Super Billiards Expo are as follows (I imagine Matchroom will be posting the official rankings soon):
1. Shane Van Boening -- 53 points
T2. Justin Bergman -- 30
T2. Scott Frost -- 30
4. Jeremy Sossei -- 29
5. Sky Woodward -- 25
6. Corey Deuel -- 24
7. Oscar Dominguez -- 19
8. Brian Deska -- 15
T9. Steve Knoll -- 14
T9. Danny Olson -- 14
T11. Mike Dechaine -- 13
T11. Joshua Roberts -- 13
T11 Alex Olinger -- 13
14. Brandon Shuff -- 12
15. Rodney Morris -- 10
16. Johnny Archer -- 9
The remaining 4 points events are: US Open 10-Ball, US Open 8-Ball, Turning Stone, and US Open 9-Ball.
By my reckoning, the top 16 in the Mosconi Cup point standings after the Super Billiards Expo are as follows (I imagine Matchroom will be posting the official rankings soon):
1. Shane Van Boening -- 53 points
T2. Justin Bergman -- 30
T2. Scott Frost -- 30
4. Jeremy Sossei -- 29
5. Sky Woodward -- 25
6. Corey Deuel -- 24
7. Oscar Dominguez -- 19
8. Brian Deska -- 15
T9. Steve Knoll -- 14
T9. Danny Olson -- 14
T11. Mike Dechaine -- 13
T11. Joshua Roberts -- 13
T11 Alex Olinger -- 13
14. Brandon Shuff -- 12
15. Rodney Morris -- 10
16. Johnny Archer -- 9
The remaining 4 points events are: US Open 10-Ball, US Open 8-Ball, Turning Stone, and US Open 9-Ball.