McDermott cues hit like a 2x4?

Adding to it.

First, what feels right to you now, may not be the same 10 years from now.
Player's feel changes somewhat over time as their game progresses. In 10 years you might be shooting shots you do not shot ever now, and the feedback from those future shots can change your feelings about a cue.

Lets not be naive, some brands of cues are nortorius for little things, like the cut butt being too big (I believe that is Vikings), others for being butt heavy, others for joints that break down, others for cheap ferrules on them, etc., just the same as brands of cars. This feedback is what allows the cuemakers or manufacturers to change over time to make their products better.

The 30 year old Joss's had one of the best hits out, but I don't like the newer ones at all, especially the low end ones ($300-400 range). Why buy a cue with a 13.25mm shaft on it if you are planning to have it turned down? And especially a 3-400 dollar one. That's throwing good money out for bad.

No $150 cue is going to hit like a $1,500 one, but they might have part of the hit of it, and that is what draws the players into getting a better one later on. The only cue that I know of that can draw you like that, or the best at it, is a well made Sneaky Pete. They are bargains for the hit you get with them. A reasonable good Sneaky Pete for $200-250 sometimes will give you the hit of a 800-$1,000 cue. But, you have to hunt for them, as some cuemakers are awfully proud of their Sneakies nowdays, and the ones priced above $500, I think, are too much.

I shot with a Huebler Sneaky Pete for 19 years before it got stolen, and the plastic insert in the shaft portion did not break down, although I worried about it doing so all the time.

A cue is like anything else, if you take care of it the proper way, you will get the most product life out of it, if not, you will be buying cues more often. But, you should think about how a cue is going to hold up over time, and, for the most part, it is still true today that you get what you pay for, but you have to make a well informed decision.

And lastly, it is well known, that $200-250 range cue is usually better quality and hit than any cue under $200. It just allows the makiers to put a little better quality into their raw materials.
 
Snapshot9 said:
I shot with a Huebler Sneaky Pete for 19 years before it got stolen, and the plastic insert in the shaft portion did not break down, although I worried about it doing so all the time.

I used to drive by the Huebler factory practically every day; very unflattering structure, but they certainly did produce some quality cues out of that shop. I have always been of the opinion that Huebler made a great Sneaky, and, like you, I never had a single issue with the nylon inserts in the shafts (out of 5 total Huebler shafts I owned). The comforting thing was that I always felt that even if I did have trouble with one, they would simply pop it out and replace it with a new one. I only have one Hueb. left, and I will never sell it since I have heard that Paul & co. have officially quit making cues.

Aaron
 
Look... very simply stated.. you need to hit around with a few cues before you buy ANYTHING... Just starting out I would push you towards Falcon..wonderful cues..go with the whistler series...you can get a WS01 for undewr 200 easy...

But all of that means nothing ..you need to play with a few different cues before you drop cash on one... I picked the game back up a few years ago with a freaking Minnesota Fats cue for crying out loud.... granted that only lasted 3 trips to the hall before I bought a 100$ china cue... cheetah I think was the name.......then I landed on a Falcon stuck with for a while and had no probs at all....just hit with a few cues and pick one that fits you the best...might be a Joss..or a Meucci... or a sportscraft..who cares.. i fyou can pot balls with it then mo power to ya !!!
 
smokeandapancak said:
Look... very simply stated.. you need to hit around with a few cues before you buy ANYTHING...

Good News, I just found out like 10 min ago that there is this pool store that sells McDermotts and others, and its like 5 min from my house! Do you think they would let me hit around with them even though I might not buy it? If so I would play like a while game with each brand of cue, including size, and weight. Thanks everyone for all your help, I knew I would get a proper resonse here.:)
 
8-Ball Player said:
Good News, I just found out like 10 min ago that there is this pool store that sells McDermotts and others, and its like 5 min from my house! Do you think they would let me hit around with them even though I might not buy it? If so I would play like a while game with each brand of cue, including size, and weight. Thanks everyone for all your help, I knew I would get a proper resonse here.:)

you might be best served by just asking guys in your local hall first...that being said the place you metioned might let you hit around with different cues unchalked...depends on the management.... it is safe to say that you could drop a 100-150 and have no worries...you have a long journey ahead of you..no need to rush things .... just have fun for now and the rest will come if you decide to hang with the game... best of luck guy
 
smokeandapancak said:
you might be best served by just asking guys in your local hall first...that being said the place you metioned might let you hit around with different cues unchalked...depends on the management.... it is safe to say that you could drop a 100-150 and have no worries...you have a long journey ahead of you..no need to rush things .... just have fun for now and the rest will come if you decide to hang with the game... best of luck guy

Thank You, That means alot to me!
 
smokeandapancak said:
Look... very simply stated.. you need to hit around with a few cues before you buy ANYTHING... Just starting out I would push you towards Falcon..wonderful cues..go with the whistler series...you can get a WS01 for undewr 200 easy...

But all of that means nothing ..you need to play with a few different cues before you drop cash on one... I picked the game back up a few years ago with a freaking Minnesota Fats cue for crying out loud.... granted that only lasted 3 trips to the hall before I bought a 100$ china cue... cheetah I think was the name.......then I landed on a Falcon stuck with for a while and had no probs at all....just hit with a few cues and pick one that fits you the best...might be a Joss..or a Meucci... or a sportscraft..who cares.. i fyou can pot balls with it then mo power to ya !!!

Hey, lol, I started out with a Minnesota Fats cue! When I first bought it I went through and rolled and tested a ton of cues, and bought the one that rolled straight and felt right (I knew nothing about brands). I still have the Fats, I've bought and sold 2 other cues since then including a nice older Viking that had been restored. I currently play mainly with a Predator Sneaky, and honestly only have one other cue at the moment, and thats the Fats. For some reason I just think this cue hits great! The shaft has been re-tapered and the ferule has been changed, but I've never hit with a cue that feels so great, that cost so little! Plus, the shaft is straighter than any of the other cues I've owned! I guess sometimes you just get a "keeper".

My point is there are cheap cues that hit good, sometimes even great, and expensive cues that hit like 2x4's. Personaly I feel that every Mcdermott cue that I have ever hit with has felt pretty much the same, by this I mean that I think that they are very consistant (where as other companies seem to turn out a great deal of "duds"). So, if you know someone that owns a Mcdermott, see if you can try it out. If you like it, go ahead and order one, cause it will most likely hit the same. Just remember, the term "hit" is always subjective.

-Justin
(despotic931)

P.S. I personaly love the feel of my 314 shaft with a Unilock pin and a wood to wood joint with a Sniper tip, I think it's one of the nicest cues I've ever felt, it just plain feels "right", but I know just about every person on this board would change something about my cue to make it "right" for them. It honestly sounds to me like you don't know what's "right" for you, and thats o.k. 'cause it will take some time to figure out, took me about a year. And BTW, Snapshot is absolutely right (with no quotations :p ),

Snapshot9 said:
First, what feels right to you now, may not be the same 10 years from now.
Player's feel changes somewhat over time as their game progresses. In 10 years you might be shooting shots you do not shot ever now, and the feedback from those future shots can change your feelings about a cue.
 
I play with a M2WW McDermott with a predator Z shaft on the front end and it hits great. The original 13 mm shaft that came with the cue and Triangle tip was great as well. I only went to the predator shaft for the
11.75 mm tip for more spin.

Take Care.
 
Not at all!

8-Ball Player said:
Thanks for all the help guys!

I have 2 pool instructors by the way, and the other one told me that he does not recommend McDermott's becuase the metal pin screws into the wood shaft, so it will eventually strip. He said get something where it is metal on metal.

Is this True?
It is amazing to me the amount of bad info floating around especially in this post! I have a D16 McDermott a steel pin wood to wood ! it was won at a APA city finals in 1985 and I still play with it !!!! original shaft and all ! the only thing done to it was a refinish by Ted Harris a year ago! :eek:
 
Uhmm, They are so far superior to a meucci I wont even start on it. But please share...What else did he say? who is this meucci lovin expert anyway?
 
I have been shooting with my McDermott D21 since 1985. I have gone through a few shafts, traveled the world with it - shot countless 100+ runs and a few 200+ runs with it. If it hits like a 2 X 4, then its a deficiency I have learned to live with I guess.

:confused:

BTW... I have had 2 Meucci cues. One was a "David Howard" Meucci that I used as a break cue. After an hour I had raised the points up out of the forearm - lol ... it was a hunk of crap, but at the time there was no bigger supporter of the pro players than Bob Meucci, and the players' cue lines were a big deal at the time. That didn't stop me from telling the story to David the next time I saw him. He laughed it off and said it was just money in the bank.

The other Meucci I had, I traded to Jerry Powers about 15 years ago. The next time I saw that cue (actually I saw "parts of that cue") was on the cover of an American Cueist magazine cover that was displaying some of the Jerico cues. Jerry had obviously scrapped it and used what he needed.

IMHO, there hasn't been a better production cue line than the McDermott D-series.
 
despotic931 said:
Hey, lol, I started out with a Minnesota Fats cue! When I first bought it I went through and rolled and tested a ton of cues, and bought the one that rolled straight and felt right (I knew nothing about brands). I still have the Fats, I've bought and sold 2 other cues since then including a nice older Viking that had been restored. I currently play mainly with a Predator Sneaky, and honestly only have one other cue at the moment, and thats the Fats. For some reason I just think this cue hits great! The shaft has been re-tapered and the ferule has been changed, but I've never hit with a cue that feels so great, that cost so little! Plus, the shaft is straighter than any of the other cues I've owned! I guess sometimes you just get a "keeper".

My point is there are cheap cues that hit good, sometimes even great, and expensive cues that hit like 2x4's. Personaly I feel that every Mcdermott cue that I have ever hit with has felt pretty much the same, by this I mean that I think that they are very consistant (where as other companies seem to turn out a great deal of "duds"). So, if you know someone that owns a Mcdermott, see if you can try it out. If you like it, go ahead and order one, cause it will most likely hit the same. Just remember, the term "hit" is always subjective.

-Justin
(despotic931)

P.S. I personaly love the feel of my 314 shaft with a Unilock pin and a wood to wood joint with a Sniper tip, I think it's one of the nicest cues I've ever felt, it just plain feels "right", but I know just about every person on this board would change something about my cue to make it "right" for them. It honestly sounds to me like you don't know what's "right" for you, and thats o.k. 'cause it will take some time to figure out, took me about a year. And BTW, Snapshot is absolutely right (with no quotations :p ),

Your right, I don't know what I want.... I'm pretty new at this BTW. I think I'm just going to chance it and order it online, 150 bucks isnot too much money right?
 
8-Ball Player said:
Thanks for all the help guys!

I have 2 pool instructors by the way, and the other one told me that he does not recommend McDermott's becuase the metal pin screws into the wood shaft, so it will eventually strip. He said get something where it is metal on metal.

Is this True?

I hope you're not paying this guy much as an instructor. All the cues you see here with 3/8 - 10 or 3/8 - 11 pins screw directly into the shaft wood as far as I know.

I wouldn't have anything else, but then again, I'm not an instructor.
 
GADawg said:
I hope you're not paying this guy much as an instructor. All the cues you see here with 3/8 - 10 or 3/8 - 11 pins screw directly into the shaft wood as far as I know.

I wouldn't have anything else, but then again, I'm not an instructor.

No, but he is really good at pool, that deserves some respect does it not?
 
That is two of us!!!!

Blackjack said:
I have been shooting with my McDermott D21 since 1985. I have gone through a few shafts, traveled the world with it - shot countless 100+ runs and a few 200+ runs with it. If it hits like a 2 X 4, then its a deficiency I have learned to live with I guess.

:confused:

BTW... I have had 2 Meucci cues. One was a "David Howard" Meucci that I used as a break cue. After an hour I had raised the points up out of the forearm - lol ... it was a hunk of crap, but at the time there was no bigger supporter of the pro players than Bob Meucci, and the players' cue lines were a big deal at the time. That didn't stop me from telling the story to David the next time I saw him. He laughed it off and said it was just money in the bank.

The other Meucci I had, I traded to Jerry Powers about 15 years ago. The next time I saw that cue (actually I saw "parts of that cue") was on the cover of an American Cueist magazine cover that was displaying some of the Jerico cues. Jerry had obviously scrapped it and used what he needed.

IMHO, there hasn't been a better production cue line than the McDermott D-series.
My D16 is alive and well and I will put it up to many more costly newer big name cues and I am sure it will come out on top!:)
 
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