hadjcues said:Any other way to balance a cue than stickin' a weight bolt at the end? This mainly concerns balance and not a weight issue...
Thanks,
hadj
A ton of ways. Use a light/heavy handle, steel or titanium pin, taper, powdered steel mixed with epoxy, etc.hadjcues said:Any other way to balance a cue than stickin' a weight bolt at the end? This mainly concerns balance and not a weight issue...
Thanks,
hadj
JoeyInCali said:A ton of ways. Use a light/heavy handle, steel or titanium pin, taper, powdered steel mixed with epoxy, etc.
It can. A friend of mine ordered an ebony cue with SS collar from one huge maker and wanted it at 19 oz. or less. He got it at 19 oz.hadjcues said:dude, doesn't get complicated as this
Thanks
=Tiffpoolbum
Finally, some players hold the cue close to the middle of the wrap, others hold it all the way to the very end. What are the differences in their requirments for a cue with the best balance? Is 19" from the butt the best no matter where the player holds the cue? If not, what is the realtionship between the two? Or is there perhaps a better parameter to use in determinating the balance of a cue?
merylane said:steve if you know what you like, just ask whoever your talking to to measure from the but and you'll be ok.
just remember too take in account the total length.
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RSB-Refugee said:cues are not all the same length and measuring from the business end makes a lot more sense. I don't expect the practice to change, but I will keep giving my $.02 whenever the subject arises.![]()
Tracy
drivermaker said:Doctors have to give the systolic reading first before the diastolic. QUOTE]
On my way to Dictionary.com
Damn you DM, making my brain hurt this early in the morning...
Sheldon said:You dismiss the fact that most people have the ability to calculate. If you are getting details like balance points, I would assume you would already have the lengths, and be able to figure where the balance point is, whether measured from the tip or the butt.
Measuring from the wrap is whacked, and should probably not be used. What if the cue is wrapless?![]()
Tiffpoolbum said:On the other hand, if I have two cues, 18.5oz, and 19oz, but one has a 4.7 oz shaft, and one has a 4.2 oz shaft. What exactly does the number "19" from the butt" tells me? Can it be used as an indication of a good/bad balance?
In addition, and this is the part that confuses me the most, a 19.5 oz cue with a 19"-from-the-butt balance point will be more butt heavy than a 17.5 oz cue with the same balance point; therefore, even if the balance point is useful in the determination of the balance, shouldn't it be expressed as a ratio to the weight?
justabrake said:http://www.cornerstonecustomcues.com/main.htm
about 2 1/8 in infront of the wrap
Steven Randolph <s_randolph56@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi-William, I was looking at the bushman cue at the expo and on your site
and was wondering what the balance point of the cue is , is it possible to
measure from the buttend to the balance point for me I'd appreciate it.
Thanks-Steven
Tiffpoolbum said:Since all wood has different density, different resonance...etc. Is the balance point expressed in terms of a length from the bumper really meaningful in terms of determining if a cue hits well?
Let me try to express myself a bit clearer here.
If I have two cues--one with an ebony forearm and one with a maple forearm, both built by the same guy with exact spec--will they feel the same if the balance points are both 19" from the butt.
On the other hand, if I have two cues, 18.5oz, and 19oz, but one has a 4.7 oz shaft, and one has a 4.2 oz shaft. What exactly does the number "19" from the butt" tells me? Can it be used as an indication of a good/bad balance?
Futhermore, if I have two cues both built with an ebony forearm--one piece of ebony is a bit denser than the one used on the other. So, these two cues will not have the same weight even thought they might look exactly the same. But is it to say that they cannot both be well balanced?
In addition, and this is the part that confuses me the most, a 19.5 oz cue with a 19"-from-the-butt balance point will be more butt heavy than a 17.5 oz cue with the same balance point; therefore, even if the balance point is useful in the determination of the balance, shouldn't it be expressed as a ratio to the weight?
Finally, some players hold the cue close to the middle of the wrap, others hold it all the way to the very end. What are the differences in their requirments for a cue with the best balance? Is 19" from the butt the best no matter where the player holds the cue? If not, what is the realtionship between the two? Or is there perhaps a better parameter to use in determinating the balance of a cue?
merylane said:you have to take in account that the numbers will only have a meaning if you know what you like, no matter how you twist them.
you should know the weight, length, and balance you like and if a cue has those specs chances are you will like the feel , and the onlything left is the stiffness, and youll like the play.
so if you know what you like you can have a cue maker hit your specs and youll be happy.
unfortunatley most people only know the weight and tip size, many dont even know the tip hardness they prefer.
Tiffpoolbum said:My question is, "Does this number really have a meaning even if I know what I like?"
In other words, I know what will feel right in my hand--but can I get that feel if I specify it in terms of the balance point?
If I have three cues with the same balance points and taper made by three different cue makers, will they hit the same? I tend to think not.
I agree with Sheldon that there are so much more to a cue than a number showing where the balance point is. As a matter of fact, I will go out on the limb to say that this number is pretty much meaningless in determining whether the cue will hit the way I prefer. I do not even believe in the weight itself.
My opinion is this: a well balance cue will feel lighter and a poorly balanced cue will feel heavier; therefore, if I specify I want my cue at 19 oz with a 18.5 balance point, will I get the prefecft hit I desire when the cue is completed? Not necessarily...why? because the balance, in my opinion, cannot be specified in terms of these numbers.
Like Drivermaker stated, the weight of the shaft will make a hugh difference, and so will the weight bolt.
Let's not forget the weight distribution along the cue, i.e. will there be any spike on the weight distribution graph? If a weight bolt is inserted in the forearm, its weight distribution will not be the same as a cue naturally balance, but they may have the same weight and the same balance point--just like two sets of number can have the same mean but different mode--that certainly does not mean that these two cues will feel the same.
What do you guys think?
Tiffpoolbum said:My question is, "Does this number really have a meaning even if I know what I like?"
In other words, I know what will feel right in my hand--but can I get that feel if I specify it in terms of the balance point?
If I have three cues with the same balance points and taper made by three different cue makers, will they hit the same? I tend to think not.
I agree with Sheldon that there are so much more to a cue than a number showing where the balance point is. As a matter of fact, I will go out on the limb to say that this number is pretty much meaningless in determining whether the cue will hit the way I prefer. I do not even believe in the weight itself.
My opinion is this: a well balance cue will feel lighter and a poorly balanced cue will feel heavier; therefore, if I specify I want my cue at 19 oz with a 18.5 balance point, will I get the prefecft hit I desire when the cue is completed? Not necessarily...why? because the balance, in my opinion, cannot be specified in terms of these numbers.
Like Drivermaker stated, the weight of the shaft will make a hugh difference, and so will the weight bolt.
Let's not forget the weight distribution along the cue, i.e. will there be any spike on the weight distribution graph? If a weight bolt is inserted in the forearm, its weight distribution will not be the same as a cue naturally balance, but they may have the same weight and the same balance point--just like two sets of number can have the same mean but different mode--that certainly does not mean that these two cues will feel the same.
What do you guys think?
drivermaker said:What can anyone think...you're right on the mark.
But the question I have is...how did you become so well versed about cues and their idiosyncracies? The only reason I ask that is because I've NEVER known a female, pro or otherwise that took as much interest in the matter or had it figured out so well.
Tiffpoolbum said:Thank you for the compliment. It means a lot coming from you...![]()
BiG_JoN said:Hmmmmm...
With all this talk of balance, has anybody given any though to the players with their grip hand on the buttsleeve?
Would balance really matter there?
Basically the entire cue is in front of their grip, so would the balance make a difference?