Mechanics question on combined English shots
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This. I aim for the point rather then the pocket when using inside english. Deflects enough for it to go center hole. This is gonna differ from player to player and cue to cue. Gotta find what spot works for you.
That's a good 'point'. The aim for the contact point for an inside english shot that is going to have both collision & spin throw can be 'aimed' to miss, because the throws will throw the OB into the pocket. But at high speed the effects will be less. That's why I suggested that the OP shoot some more softly & see what happens. IMO he may be aligning for a normal speed shot but then hitting at high speed. The effect for that could certainly be an 'over cut' for two reasons, little to no swerve & little to no throw.
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I'm going with this one....spinning is like learning a language...lots of subtleties...
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The OP did not say he has trouble with all speed shots. It would be rather nice if we all only missed one type of shot.
He separated out High Inside especially with speed. That tells me that the issue is more than just what you suggested. That was the point.
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That's true & especially along with speed & the spin induced throw is also decreased with speed. Compensations need to be made even with a perfect stroke.
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If you believe mechanics are to blame i would recommend looking at a few things:
1. Record yourself taking the shot a few times and then play it back and look for anything obvious
2. Have a watch of tor lowrys videos. Some great stuff on mechanics/fundamentals that some high level players overlook
3. Stroke drills. They suck but really iron out the kinks that develop over the years
1. Record yourself taking the shot a few times and then play it back and look for anything obvious
2. Have a watch of tor lowrys videos. Some great stuff on mechanics/fundamentals that some high level players overlook
3. Stroke drills. They suck but really iron out the kinks that develop over the years
Mechanics Question
You might want to look at the option of using the vertical axis to maximize your chance of pocketing the ball and using stun, follow or draw to get a position that you can work from.
Anytime that you are using spin and speed you have all sorts of variables that are hard to control; squirt, swerve, bounce, mechanical flaws get exaggerated, and the cue ball is turned loose. It might be better to stick with the vertical axis and take what the table gives you to make sure you stay at the table.
You might want to look at the option of using the vertical axis to maximize your chance of pocketing the ball and using stun, follow or draw to get a position that you can work from.
Anytime that you are using spin and speed you have all sorts of variables that are hard to control; squirt, swerve, bounce, mechanical flaws get exaggerated, and the cue ball is turned loose. It might be better to stick with the vertical axis and take what the table gives you to make sure you stay at the table.
2strong4u
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...and shoot it about 200 times a day until you know what to do unconsciously. You have to create a muscle memory so you see the shot and know how it will play. Over analyzing things and becoming physics majors only complicates things.
The reason I say it's mechanics is that I used to be player that would miss 2-3 shots per hour, so pretty strong. Now I'll miss 2-3 shots in 15 minutes. Everything about my "feel" is off and I've always been a feel player. Never used systems, never put much value in different equipment.
I know all the concepts in play and would make these shots in my sleep with regularity. I drew attention to the high-inside shot with speed because it seems to most pronounce my cueing errors relative to my errors on other shots which are also considerable currently. So I was mainly asking if there can be any insight drawn from that. The question in my original post was very specific.
Yes I need a swing coach to get back on track. Yes I don't currently practice enough to justify it, but I may again someday. I'll watch with a patient eye til the money comes back to pool....if I'm not dead by then
Until then, I just posted it as a casual question to see what people know out there. Maybe a point or two you guys make will hit home the next time I watch myself on video.
Thanks again for all the feedback
I know all the concepts in play and would make these shots in my sleep with regularity. I drew attention to the high-inside shot with speed because it seems to most pronounce my cueing errors relative to my errors on other shots which are also considerable currently. So I was mainly asking if there can be any insight drawn from that. The question in my original post was very specific.
Yes I need a swing coach to get back on track. Yes I don't currently practice enough to justify it, but I may again someday. I'll watch with a patient eye til the money comes back to pool....if I'm not dead by then
Until then, I just posted it as a casual question to see what people know out there. Maybe a point or two you guys make will hit home the next time I watch myself on video.Thanks again for all the feedback
ElCorazonFrio
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So, you think that your mechanics change enough on high inside shots that they cause you to miss? You seem to be very stuck on this one particular shot, but this makes no sense to me. Your mechanics are your mechanics...either they are shite and they affect every shot or they aren't and they aren't the reason you miss.
If your stroke, etc is changing literally because you are hitting high inside, you don't have any fundamentals and you need to tear your whole game down and learn from the ground up, quite literally from the ground up.
Good luck
This is the biggest problem with being a feel player...
That's the biggest problem with being a feel player, when something goes wrong, you don't know where to start.
I was in the same place you are 13 years ago. I've spent those 13 years developing into a deliberate player...
It makes a huge difference. Not in skill level (for those who were capable of top level feel based play, most aren't and will never be), but definitely in relation to consistency and competition and understanding what you're doing when you start screwing up...
Jaden
The reason I say it's mechanics is that I used to be player that would miss 2-3 shots per hour, so pretty strong. Now I'll miss 2-3 shots in 15 minutes. Everything about my "feel" is off and I've always been a feel player. Never used systems, never put much value in different equipment.
I know all the concepts in play and would make these shots in my sleep with regularity. I drew attention to the high-inside shot with speed because it seems to most pronounce my cueing errors relative to my errors on other shots which are also considerable currently. So I was mainly asking if there can be any insight drawn from that. The question in my original post was very specific.
Yes I need a swing coach to get back on track. Yes I don't currently practice enough to justify it, but I may again someday. I'll watch with a patient eye til the money comes back to pool....if I'm not dead by then
Thanks again for all the feedback
That's the biggest problem with being a feel player, when something goes wrong, you don't know where to start.
I was in the same place you are 13 years ago. I've spent those 13 years developing into a deliberate player...
It makes a huge difference. Not in skill level (for those who were capable of top level feel based play, most aren't and will never be), but definitely in relation to consistency and competition and understanding what you're doing when you start screwing up...
Jaden