Meucci Black Dot Shaft.....why not the rage?

336Robin

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke_Dnfko_Vs

When I watch this although I would have liked to have seen just cue ball squirt measured instead of the resulting departure of an object ball .....I have to wonder if these shafts squirt amount is this small......why has it not taken off and been really, really popular. It seems the other companies that produce LD shafts are more popular like Predator and OB.
 
336Robin said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke_Dnfko_Vs

When I watch this although I would have liked to have seen just cue ball squirt measured instead of the resulting departure of an object ball .....I have to wonder if these shafts squirt amount is this small......why has it not taken off and been really, really popular. It seems the other companies that produce LD shafts are more popular like Predator and OB.
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I could be wrong (and probably am), but I think the Meucci shafts had quality issues a few years ago. I believe there was a fairly long thread on this subject maybe four or five years ago. I've slept since then and when I woke up, my memory was a lot cloudier.

Hopefully, somebody else that may know for sure will pipe in here in a while. Those shafts have been on the market for some time now.

Maniac (in for the curiosity)
 
I like them

About 5 years ago I had Meucci make me up a very plain sneaky with a 31" Black Dot shaft and it works very well and still rolls straight. The only problem I had was getting it as they stuck it in a corner and could not find it for awhile, according to them.

I put a Talisman medium tip on it and most of the time I forget to turn the Dot up. The Dot may be a gimmick, ya got me. If I was still using a "laminated low deflection" shaft I could easily live with the Black Dot. But, I am kind of hooked on Pat Diveney"s Lake Salvage shafts.

Also, I am half afraid to send one of my Diveney butts to Meucci to have a Black Dot shaft built for it as I am sure they still have corners to loose it in!
 
I was on the phone yesterday with a guy from Seyberts. I ask about the black dot meucci & the g core McDermott. He said hands down McDermott. What I liked about the answer was the of the cues in question the salesman pointed me towards the cheaper priced cue.
 
mtank79 said:
I was on the phone yesterday with a guy from Seyberts. I ask about the black dot meucci & the g core McDermott. He said hands down McDermott. What I liked about the answer was the of the cues in question the salesman pointed me towards the cheaper priced cue.
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As the saying goes....different strokes for different folks.:wink:

I play with a black dot......my g/f bought me a McDermott with the g core shaft and I sits in the closet. I have tried several times to shoot with that cue and I just dont like the shaft but I love the design on the cue .....gonna get me a standard maple shaft for it one day I guess.
 
lorider said:
As the saying goes....different strokes for different folks.:wink:

I play with a black dot......my g/f bought me a McDermott with the g core shaft and I sits in the closet. I have tried several times to shoot with that cue and I just dont like the shaft but I love the design on the cue .....gonna get me a standard maple shaft for it one day I guess.
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I have a "McMeucci". It is a McDermott RS-11 with a Meucci Pro shaft. It plays good.
 
they have a quality issue they are still fighting back from. I've heard their quality has gotten much better but it takes a while to beat that stigma. They were all the rage in the 80s and early 90s .. I guess there time passed.
 
336Robin said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke_Dnfko_Vs

When I watch this although I would have liked to have seen just cue ball squirt measured instead of the resulting departure of an object ball .....I have to wonder if these shafts squirt amount is this small......why has it not taken off and been really, really popular. It seems the other companies that produce LD shafts are more popular like Predator and OB.
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The problem as I see it was discussed a few times before. The mythbuster devise has two or three areas that don't represent a human being, so the results are misleading. So although for that device, the black dot performed the best, in the real world it doesn't as well.

Some of the "what needs to happen when building a testing robot" has been discussed a few times on the internet going back to the Jacksonville Experiment (Bob Jewett) , and Im sure Dr Dave has links and his own in more recent years as he leads a mechatronics lab.

I'm not sure why people build shooting test device without consulting others who have lessons learned in this area. It would save a lot of headaches.

Freddie <~~~ mechanical testing R Us
 
The Part I find appealing......

The part I find appealing about the Black Dot is the fact is that I think its solid up to the tip yet produces LD effect. Most of the other shafts to my knowledge remove wood from the tip. If that be the case I'd like to try one. Ive played with various LDs some I like, others I don't but I do use semi masse on shots to curve around portions of the ball and the mass of the Meucci should help with that.
 
My Black Dot Lasted a Week

Decided to try Meucci one more time in 2016. Bought a Meucci for $525.00 with a Black Dot shaft. Never broke with it or abused it and never took it out of my climate controlled basement and in a week the shaft began delaminating. Returned it to Seyberts and bought another Schon. You can search this site for many other comments like this one.
 
I have played with the same black dot shaft for about 10 years. I have not had any problems to speak of so far. Still rolls straight and sends the cue ball where ever my loopy stroke tells it to.
 
336Robin said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke_Dnfko_Vs

When I watch this although I would have liked to have seen just cue ball squirt measured instead of the resulting departure of an object ball .....I have to wonder if these shafts squirt amount is this small......why has it not taken off and been really, really popular. It seems the other companies that produce LD shafts are more popular like Predator and OB.
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Ok, how are you tracking me?

I literally was watching that same vid about the same time yesterday.

Then went on here searching for someone who had posted this and what was said on it.

That's fn crazy.

I figured all the Meucci haters would have torn this video up by now.
 
Thats it!

strmanglr scott said:
Ok, how are you tracking me?

I literally was watching that same vid about the same time yesterday.

Then went on here searching for someone who had posted this and what was said on it.

That's fn crazy.

I figured all the Meucci haters would have torn this video up by now.
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After I watched that video again given the fact I've played with some of the shafts on that video. I realized that in order to consistently beat shafts like the 314 thats pretty tough stuff so I asked myself......why dont I hear more about them?

It could be they had a time with some production but shaft might be something that needs to be revisited in a major sort of way.
 
I had one back in 2011 when i first started getting serious about pool. I did one harder shot (not a break shot, just a harder shot) and the thing warped on me immediately). This may fall under the poor quality era.

I bought a PPAC3 from budgetcues, and the service was great. They let me upgrade to the predator 314 (with upcharge). but since then I am very anti black dot.

Also supposedly the dot needs to be facing up for the "lowest deflection", but the fact it was created with a stack laminate didn't sit well with people.
 
My first introduction to Meucci cues was through a good friend who at the time was much better than I. Not that his abilities made me want his brand of cue. What I did really like about it was the color of his HOF-1, reminded me of a rainbow trout.

He got a little short on cash and basically pawned his stick to me before he left town for week for work. So I got to play it and liked the shot feel. Couldn't make crap w it caused it played so much different than my Dufferin. I was just getting back into pool then. He bought it back.

So I shopped for a new Meucci. Wanted to get a power piston but couldn't come up w $600 where they started out.

Until I found the power piston demo cue w black dot shaft.

I work in the city about 10 miles from home. I played a lot of pool in the city. For me to go home grab my stick and come back to the city to play would have cost me a decent amount for gas and just time.

So I kept it in my trunk, all the time. For four years solid at least. I live in mid-Michigan. I figured if it warped within the first year I'd get a warranty replacement and not do that anymore.

I've had it about 10 years. Rolls perfectly straight apart/together to this day.

I love it. Ppl don't like the feedback I guess. But that's what I like. The cue is lively and springy to me.

I have a second Meucci. A different friend asked me to buy his cue out of the pawn shop before he lost it.

He tells me it's $110, he also says its an original. Ok, I guess.

I get there and what do I get? A HOF-1 w a red dot shaft that has been played but but not used. Still has the 19oz sticker on the bottom of it, pristine shape. But wait there's more, a nice jump cue I use that works well for me and a big Meucci case. Score!

My friend told me it's mine. I was about to buy a jump/break cue. Glad I got a dedicated jump cue, it's so much easier for me to jump w it than a dual purpose.

I don't care much for the red dot. It plays really dead for me. Not like the black dot at all.

I've tried the black dot on the HOF-1 butt. It doesn't play the same as w the power piston butt. Not as lively feel.

Btw, I never pay attention to where the dot is when I make shots.

I can masse w the black dot fairly well.
 
Cornerman said:
The problem as I see it was discussed a few times before. The mythbuster devise has two or three areas that don't represent a human being, so the results are misleading. So although for that device, the black dot performed the best, in the real world it doesn't as well.

Some of the "what needs to happen when building a testing robot" has been discussed a few times on the internet going back to the Jacksonville Experiment (Bob Jewett) , and Im sure Dr Dave has links and his own in more recent years as he leads a mechatronics lab.

I'm not sure why people build shooting test device without consulting others who have lessons learned in this area. It would save a lot of headaches.

Freddie <~~~ mechanical testing R Us
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Isn't the whole point of testing a cue with a robot to eliminate any human like traits? Like inconsistent arm motion, speed, aiming, etc...? Would not a pure hinged metal arm test the same thing on different shafts, if setup the same way every time?
 
I've got all the shaft types that Meucci has made starting way back before any "dots", Red or Black and leading all the way up to the Pro UW. The Pro UW is by far the best Meucci shaft. There is soooooooo little deflection in this shaft it's just super reliable.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Isn't the whole point of testing a cue with a robot to eliminate any human like traits? Like inconsistent arm motion, speed, aiming, etc...? Would not a pure hinged metal arm test the same thing on different shafts, if setup the same way every time?
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The thing w the robot is, it's the same stroke each time no matter what stick is used.
 
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