Meucci Black Dot Shaft

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PoolMinnow

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Has anyone seen the videos on Meucci's website that show that the Black Dot Shaft supposedly has MUCH lower deflection that any other shaft in the world?

Has anyone played with a Black Dot? I have never seen one, or know anybody who has played one. I have seen the chart, I think on Platinum Billiards or Ozone Billiards, that show the Black Dot shaft way down the list for least deflection, so SOMEBODY is wrong.
 
314-2 has much lower deflection than the Black Dot, at least thats what I have experienced my self.
 
Pool minnow,

The test is flawed. You could tune that test to show negative deflection if you wanted to.

The Platinum test is very objective. It looks at the cue ball and not the object ball, and it hits the cue ball hard enough to eliminate swerve.

I suggest you try for yourself. If you find yourself at an event in which we have a booth, come by and I would be glad to show you.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
Thanks for the quick replies, guys. I kind of figured the test might have been screwy, because I have met plenty of pro players, and have never seen one use, or even talk about the Black Dot. I play with a Z² and have tried the 314² quite a bit, and am happy with either one. When I saw those videos on Meucci's site, I hoped somebody had seen them, and now know how the results were achieved.
 
RBC said:
Pool minnow,

The test is flawed. You could tune that test to show negative deflection if you wanted to.

The Platinum test is very objective. It looks at the cue ball and not the object ball, and it hits the cue ball hard enough to eliminate swerve.

I suggest you try for yourself. If you find yourself at an event in which we have a booth, come by and I would be glad to show you.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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Royce, does OB have any events in Denver this year? I have been anxious to try the OB shaft, and would love to drop by the OB booth if you are going to be here in the future.
 
I had one for a while. I bought it to compare it to Predator. Out played the Predator by far. The quality of Meucci cues has gone south since, though.
 
Minnow,

No, actually we don't get to do anything in Denver.

I don't know if they have a demonstration table or even if they sell retail, but Cuestix in Lafayette is a Distributor for us. You may want to contact them about trying it out.

Also, we will be in Vegas for the BCA tournament next month. We will also be there in June for the Trade Show, and in August for the APA teams event.

Call me if you are still interested and can't seem to get your hands on one. We will work something out.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
RBC said:
Pool minnow,

The test is flawed. You could tune that test to show negative deflection if you wanted to.

www.obcues.com
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What? I couldn't imagine a manufacturer doing something as shady as that... especially someone who traces his family lineage back to the Medici's... ;)

Personally, I wouldn't trust the results of any manufacturer or retailer and their "robots". The only way to get an objective opinion is to get it from someone who doesn't actually manufacturer or sell anything. Meucci has an incentive to make his products look the best to sell more products. Same with Predator. As for the Platinum test, isn't there some relationship between Platinum and Predator?

I thought I read somewhere that Dr. Dave made a robot. I'd trust his results simply because he doesn't have any reason to push one product over another. If you really want to know though, don't trust any of these stupid tests. Go to the SBE, BCAPL, APA, etc shows and test 'em for yourself. The one that you think hits the best is the one you should buy.
 
RBC said:
Pool minnow,

The test is flawed. You could tune that test to show negative deflection if you wanted to.

The Platinum test is very objective. It looks at the cue ball and not the object ball, and it hits the cue ball hard enough to eliminate swerve.

.......

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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How is the test flawed and tunable?

I agree that Meucci has an obvious conflict of interest, and I notice he does not compare the Black Dot to a 314-2, a Z-2, an OB-1 or an OB-2. (I think these shafts post-date the video.) But at least his setup is well-documented and explained. I know nothing of the Platinum setup. Unless Platinum has completely removed the end-rail near the butt, its robot will be shooting with some swerve also.

I also note that one cue/one shot is not sufficient to show anything statistically significant, and I suspect the Platinum test probably suffers from the same flaw.

I do not think there is any experimental error introduced by measuring the OB strike point on the far rail. This simply amplifies squirt error of the CB. Using an OB also minimizes the correction provided by swerve, since the CB has less distance to travel before contacting something.

I have a Black Dot and a Z-2 shaft. (Next I will try an OB-2...) I prefer the Z-2, but I cannot quantify why. I've been think of building my own robot.
 
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