Mezz butts and mezz joints

qbilder said:
If he's wrong then I am, too. Even your car engine has torque specs for each specific application. What torque spec do you assign to your cues? May I crank one of your cues so tightly that it tears itself apart? Or would just snugging it up suffice? If just snugging it up is fine, then apparently thread strength isn't all that critical, is it? Until you define what is tight enough and what is too tight, this conversation is pointless.

In my probably wrong opinion, once the two joint faces are secured, continuity is achieved. Tightening the cue any further will not enhance the hit or playability. It will only induce stress that if passes a certain threshold will destroy the cue. Just like with your car engine, once the head sufficiently compresses the gasket, continuity is achieved and it will operate optimally. Over tighten & you'll risk destroying the engine, with zero enhancement to performance. Point being, thread strength requirements are relative to application.
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Sorry to say, but all of your information is incorrect. Per your head bolt analogy, you are EXTREMELY off base. The bolts in the head are actually properly tightened on modern cars to the point of stretching the threads (tightened until yield) and thereby ruining them for a second installation. They are throw-away items. This is done due to the cyclical forces and heat that these bolts are subject to. Tightening just to compression of the gasket will, in fact, cause those bolts to eventually back out, which will cause your car to blow an engine gasket.

The point of having clamping force on the faces of the joint is because the cue is subjected to cyclic loading in compression. This can lead to a cue that is 'barely tightened' to unscrew enough to put all of the forces into the threads of the joint. I've seen it many times.

Having a lot of friction on the bolt does not help this.
 
PoppaSaun said:
Sorry to say, but all of your information is incorrect. Per your head bolt analogy, you are EXTREMELY off base. The bolts in the head are actually properly tightened on modern cars to the point of stretching the threads (tightened until yield) and thereby ruining them for a second installation. They are throw-away items. This is done due to the cyclical forces and heat that these bolts are subject to. Tightening just to compression of the gasket will, in fact, cause those bolts to eventually back out, which will cause your car to blow an engine gasket.

The point of having clamping force on the faces of the joint is because the cue is subjected to cyclic loading in compression. This can lead to a cue that is 'barely tightened' to unscrew enough to put all of the forces into the threads of the joint. I've seen it many times.

Having a lot of friction on the bolt does not help this.
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Do you think comparing a screw used to hold an engine in place is comparable to the joint pin and shaft threads on a cue??
 
PoppaSaun said:
Sorry to say, but all of your information is incorrect. Per your head bolt analogy, you are EXTREMELY off base. The bolts in the head are actually properly tightened on modern cars to the point of stretching the threads (tightened until yield) and thereby ruining them for a second installation. They are throw-away items. This is done due to the cyclical forces and heat that these bolts are subject to. Tightening just to compression of the gasket will, in fact, cause those bolts to eventually back out, which will cause your car to blow an engine gasket.

The point of having clamping force on the faces of the joint is because the cue is subjected to cyclic loading in compression. This can lead to a cue that is 'barely tightened' to unscrew enough to put all of the forces into the threads of the joint. I've seen it many times.

Having a lot of friction on the bolt does not help this.
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His cues are top rated among people who have a cue in their hand, and not top rated in the "hits a ton" way, top rated in the "commands a premium price and does not last long on the secondary market". Who cares if you can battle him with a keyboard? He knows what he's doing, and the rest of us knows he does too.
 
qbilder said:
Are you seriously going to argue that I cannot over tighten a cue to the point of failure, while at the same time argue that a cue with tight pin won't hit as well because the player cannot tighten it enough? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? Yet here you are making that case, and "standing by it". I mixed no apples with oranges. I knew exactly what I was saying & said it clear. In your eagerness to one up and exhibit your superior cue knowledge, you completely missed what I was saying and the reason I was saying it.

There's zero need for the condescension and insults. It is possible to discuss a difference of opinion without having to be an ass.
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Eric, I'm pretty sure that you could destroy a cue if you put your mind to it.
The point was that no normal player has that in mind when connecting his/her cue.

There was no effort on my part to exhibit superiority. Sorry if you felt slighted.

There were no condescensions or insults intended on my part.
It could be your own interpretations when people respond to your posts.

"without having to be an ass." Now who's being insulting ?
 
billiardthought said:
His cues are top rated among people who have a cue in their hand, and not top rated in the "hits a ton" way, top rated in the "commands a premium price and does not last long on the secondary market". Who cares if you can battle him with a keyboard? He knows what he's doing, and the rest of us knows he does too.
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Cool story, bro.

It's funny that you think I am battling him. This isn't a battle. I've never said anything detrimental about his cues. I don't care how much people pay for them. People pay a lot for Jaguar's, also, but they are much less reliable than Hyundai Sonatas.

If he's the consummate professional you think he is, he will likely learn from this or decide that he doesn't care about doing things in ways that have been proven to be correct. His choice, I don't care.

I do care about people spreading bad information to ignorants who will listen simply because someone can sell something.
 
Bushka used 5/16 14, didn't he ?
You guys should check how much wobble it has before the two faces meet .
 
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