MEZZ JOINT TIGHT

The_JV said:
You still can't quantify what he's feeling and the effort he's using. I knew that wouldn't stop you from doubling down....lol

We've all read this from you before. You may or may not be an authority. Either way you don't have the required specifics to make a call in this thread. You just have a well established axe to grind with Mezz. ...and like most narcissistic authorities on subject matter. When painted into a corner with facts, they'll attempt baffle within inconsequential accreditation.
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I quantified how a threaded joint should go together, you refused to read it. You should be able to seat the shaft with your fingers.
 
The_JV said:
Well if that's the case, then I'd definitely return it. Odds are they missed a clean up pass when they cut the threads and it slipped passed QA. I can't speak to Mezz QA control but they might to batch checks for threads, or it very simply got missed.

Regardless, you should be fighting with it. ....and it has nothing to do with the thread style.
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lol
 
The_JV said:
Well if that's the case, then I'd definitely return it. Odds are they missed a clean up pass when they cut the threads and it slipped passed QA. I can't speak to Mezz QA control but they might to batch checks for threads, or it very simply got missed.

Regardless, you shouldn't be fighting with it. ....and it has nothing to do with the thread style.
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I fixed the typo in the above...
It should have been "you shouldn't be fighting with it"
 
DeeDeeCues said:
I quantified how a threaded joint should go together, you refused to read it. You should be able to seat the shaft with your fingers.
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What tool did he use..? I'll admit I missed that and can't find mention of it. I also glazed over when attempting to read your comments regarding thread engagement. Couldn't get passed the self propaganda.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
I've been involved in design and assembly of multi-million dollar custom CNC machines. I have never needed a tool to put a bolt in a threaded hole except for torquing. Proper threaded joints (tapered pipe and interference lock nuts aside) do not get tight before starting to seat. It's bad engineering that accomplishes nothing, and in fact creates a deficiency in the purpose of the threaded joint.
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How many metal on wood threaded connections can be found on the typical multi-million dollar CNC machine...?

Figure if anyone here on the forum would know the specifics on the differences between metal/metal vs metal on wood thread methodology. It would be someone who done your line of work.

Now that I say that, I also work for a company that engineers, and builds multi-million dollar custom automation lines (entirely our of metal) and have been doing my own design and actual fabrication of metal components (including the turning of threads of various specs) for decades. However I can't comment from a place of educated experience. I'm sure your experience bolting things together varies wildly from mine though. Is there a section in the machinist's handbook for this application..?
 
The_JV said:
What tool did he use..? I'll admit I missed that and can't find mention of it. I also glazed over when attempting to read your comments regarding thread engagement. Couldn't get passed the self propaganda.
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His arms and hands are the required tools.
 
The_JV said:
How many metal on wood threaded connections can be found on the typical multi-million dollar CNC machine...?

Figure if anyone here on the forum would know the specifics on the differences between metal/metal vs metal on wood thread methodology. It would be someone who done your line of work.

Now that I say that, I also work for a company that engineers, and builds multi-million dollar custom automation lines (entirely our of metal) and have been doing my own design and actual fabrication of metal components (including the turning of threads of various specs) for decades. However I can't comment from a place of educated experience. I'm sure your experience bolting things together varies wildly from mine though. Is there a section in the machinist's handbook for this application..?
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I've posted about the negatives of tight threads many times. Why doesn't someone post about the positives? They say they like the tightness because it feels like quality, but they can't tell me what engineering benefit it gives. I've posted about the negatives like additional wear, susceptibility to contamination, reduced clamping force (with equal applied torque), doesn't help align the cue...etc. nobody has given an actual benefit.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
I've posted about the negatives of tight threads many times. Why doesn't someone post about the positives? They say they like the tightness because it feels like quality, but they can't tell me what engineering benefit it gives. I've posted about the negatives like additional wear, susceptibility to contamination, reduced clamping force (with equal applied torque), doesn't help align the cue...etc. nobody has given an actual benefit.
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Something to consider...: climate

There's tight and then there's snug. In my experience, the wavy joints are snug not tight. I wholeheartedly agree, and to the best of my knowledge there's no advantage to tight standard threads. Some would cite alignment but that should be a function of the mating faces. It's not like backlash is consideration with pool cues...lol
 
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The_JV said:
Everything is relative.

My wavy 1 Exceed had a very tight joint in the beginning. Not "OMG" tight but it was something that took effort. Even after a >1yr it's still a tight fitting joint.

The United joint on my PB-G is incredibly tight. It was almost un-nerving when I first put it together. Again >1yr later it's still so tight that people have concerned faces when screwing it together for the first time.

In the end, haters are going to hate, and you're seeing it already in this thread. That hate doesn't translate into reality. Seeing as I can't gauge your effort or concern. My advice is to take it to a real cue mechanic and get their opinion. ...and when I say a real mechanic, I mean someone that does something beyond changing tips to get free table time.

Without anything to draw from, here's my biased thoughts. Mezz has an impeccable rep for the quality of their equipment. Although certainly possible, I think the odds are that your concerns aren't as warranted as you may feel. Good luck
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Yes, I’ve had numerous Mezz and Exceed cues. They all screw together tightly, especially the Mezz/Exceed united joints, but none so tight that I’d think I’m going to do any damage to them by continuing to tighten them up.
 
The_JV said:
Something to consider...: climate

There's tight and then there's snug. In my experience, the wavy joints are snug not tight. I wholeheartedly agree, and to the best of my knowledge there's no advantage to tight standard threads. Some would cite alignment but that should be a function of the mating faces. It's not like backlash is consideration with pool cues...lol
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You have good analysis skills.
 
Granted I don't have a Mezz or Exceed cue but I do have a mike Gulyassy cue that when you first put it together it flops around a bit but as the two pieces come together it's not much more than finger tight to begin play .
The first time reminded me of a gut shot coyote flopping all over the place ha ha

If one of the above mentioned cues are to much of a bother send it my way and I'd be glad to give it a try !
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Tell me a situation where threads that tight are the right option..
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Equipment aboard vehicles with high amounts of vibrational stress.

Tight threading is most useful closer to high vibration areas on the structure.

Without tight threading parts are more likely to fall off.
 
So much bad info, everywhere. It’s a plague. There are many applications, when an interference fit is desired and beneficial, often required. Threaded fasteners are not one of these applications.
 
GoldCrown said:
I guess a lot of dead people complained
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I am putting a wifi cam in my casket, this way no one can steal my body when no one is looking.

Cadavers tags dont always match the tombstone. Its not like digital records.
 
The wavy joint is cool and the 5-6 I had screwed together nicely, like the the happy medium Goldilocks found…but at the time the shafts were limited, not sure about now because I ditched the pin in the one I kept and put a 3/8x11 in. It changed nothing with the way the cue played and still screws together like it should, but shaft options are drastically better.

Someone once gave me a McDermott (if I remember right) and said they couldn’t get it apart. Tho it could have been a radial pin cue, whatever the case the pin came out of the butt when it finally unscrewed. Crazy thing was it wasn’t cross threaded. Put the screw back in the butt and after some butcher block wax it was ok.
 
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Did someone say climate...think you meant humidity.
wood can expand if stored in a humid environment...snug becomes tight very easily.
Did someone say beeswax...try pushing some wax into the top threads. Do it until its back to snug.
If you leave it too tight you can pop the rings
 
misterpoole said:
Did someone say climate...think you meant humidity.
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Nope I meant climate. The point was that Mezz's products will find themselves in various climates around the world. One aspect of climate, as you apparently know, is humidity. That is the key ingredient of a region's climate that I was placing focus on. However just saying humidity, although accurate, doesn't really convey the problem.

Humidity goes up and down, but relative humidity is different region to region. What NA considers high, the Philippines would consider low.

Anyways, a bunch of words to say that I meant what I said, but I'm sure some benefited from you breaking it down further. (y)
 
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