Mezz West State stream??

[POVPOOL]

Daniel was great and we appreciated him. He knows that...

But he never did a Sacramento stop because hard times has their own set up.

I just ran up my personal credit card 7600 for tablets for live scoring, graphics, etc.

Daniel is free to everyone else but not to me... I couldn't get the funds necessary to secure him for this season. It is what it is and I'm in a money losing endeavor here, wish everyone well and hope you can tune in. It's a lot of work.

Thanks to my buddy who sent me this link to address everyone since I'm no longer a follower on AZ.

Peace

Oscar Dominguez

POV Pool's services are NOT free to everyone else, so don't dare to devalue what I work hard for. I think both, you and Desiree are backpedaling by coming up with a bunch of piss-poor excuses to explain to people what you should have been forthright with from the beginning; that you were already planning to do your own streaming from the get-go.

Now, let's make something very clear here... I don't care that You and West State Billiards and your little knitting circle that you hang out with are going to stream your own tour. In fact, my HAT is OFF and I applaud you for it! I will probably eat lots of popcorn watching it.

P.S. - Thank you to Justin Collett for making the astute observation that the public doesn't deserve to hear 'both sides' or whatever. But in the case when Desiree invokes my name and company with a little untruth about how they told us in advance that we would not be involved with streaming and promotions, then I think I need to address that falsehood. The day everyone heard about the 2nd season's schedule was also the day that Geraldine and I realized that we weren't doing any dates with them. To this day, since the TOP GUN event, we have yet to have a discussion - none of which is needed now.

We are proud of what we did for the Mezz West State Tour because we put our hearts into it.
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"First you find a little thread, a little thread leads you to a string, and the string leads you to a rope. And from the rope you hang by the neck."

Keep Loving Pool!
- Daniel

 

[TheLoneSilencer]

I would like to thank you for streaming Daniel as I have kept up with a lot of the west coast action because of your streams for the tour, action matches & such. Keep up the great work!

 

[pescadoman]

You make way too much sense to post around here. You will probably get a warning or something.

Why the hell anyone on a message board thinks they are entitled to private information between two businesses baffles the hell out of me. If the product changes and you don't like it don't watch. Getting all daytime talkshow is just ridiculous.

"I want to hear both sides"...WTF?

These are good points for most sports. However, pool is not like most sports. The availability of major players is unprecedented. Try walking up to Tiger Woods while he's at a bar and have a conversation with him. CSI posts here...ect...ect.

Furthermore, while I support the privacy between two parties, that privacy was breached when Oscar posted his position.

That being said, I truly wish that pool could get it's shit together. REGARDLESS(I have my own opinion of what went on, but I'm trying to be objective here) of who is right or wrong, all of this infighting is a cancer and it's pretty obvious there is bad blood between two companies who contribute alot of time, effort, and money for the betterment of our sport.

It's just sad.

 

[mcsock]

I for 1 am happy that there is some info about the tour. My oringal post was simply asking if it was going to be streamed. There was no pre-event info about the stream.
I was not trying to stur the pot on this I think the job that Daniel did was top notch, I think that Oscar and Desiree did a monumental job and look for more of the same
JCIN they choose to be more open because they care about the supporters. After the streaming job you did on the Swanee, I would avoid trying to cause more problems in this thread.

 

[GaryB]

Thank you Daniel. I was one of the 1st to suggest that they use you for all the events as you brought so much to the table.

Jason, I think that most all of us recognize that business numbers are private. Many of us are or have been business owners.

Daniel's supposition that the streaming plan had been in the works since the get go rings true with what he has presented.

Oscar and Desiree seem to be tap dancing. I am a huge fan of being up front about things.

First time since Oscar was a very young kid helping his Dad do the tables at Hard Times that I have ever had anything but admiration for him. He has done a great job with the tour. Very, very full plate yet still plays more than competitively. It has been great for the players and everything else except apparently his integrity.

It seems, unfortunately, that there was a reason for the bad taste in my mouth.

 

[JCIN]

I for 1 am happy that there is some info about the tour. My oringal post was simply asking if it was going to be streamed. There was no pre-event info about the stream.
I was not trying to stur the pot on this I think the job that Daniel did was top notch, I think that Oscar and Desiree did a monumental job and look for more of the same
JCIN they choose to be more open because they care about the supporters. After the streaming job you did on the Swanee, I would avoid trying to cause more problems in this thread.

So if you are not one of the people trying to drum up drama why did you take offense?

As for the Swannee stream there was a lot going on there that no one needed to know about so guess what? They don't know. Also remember whose name was on that stream. It wasn't TAR and it wasn't mine.

 

[JCIN]

POV Pool's services are NOT free to everyone else, so don't dare to devalue what I work hard for. I think both, you and Desiree are backpedaling by coming up with a bunch of piss-poor excuses to explain to people what you should have been forthright with from the beginning; that you were already planning to do your own streaming from the get-go.

Now, let's make something very clear here... I don't care that You and West State Billiards and your little knitting circle that you hang out with are going to stream your own tour. In fact, my HAT is OFF and I applaud you for it! I will probably eat lots of popcorn watching it.

P.S. - Thank you to Justin Collett for making the astute observation that the public doesn't deserve to hear 'both sides' or whatever. But in the case when Desiree invokes my name and company with a little untruth about how they told us in advance that we would not be involved with streaming and promotions, then I think I need to address that falsehood. The day everyone heard about the 2nd season's schedule was also the day that Geraldine and I realized that we weren't doing any dates with them. To this day, since the TOP GUN event, we have yet to have a discussion - none of which is needed now.

We are proud of what we did for the Mezz West State Tour because we put our hearts into it.
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"First you find a little thread, a little thread leads you to a string, and the string leads you to a rope. And from the rope you hang by the neck."

Keep Loving Pool!
- Daniel

I was not talking to you Daniel.

The fact that instead of simply stating your point of view about the situation you take a shot at me is pretty sweet though. Thanks.

 

[gerri3404]

I was not talking to you Daniel.

The fact that instead of simply stating your point of view about the situation you take a shot at me is pretty sweet though. Thanks.

Justin, by no means, was Daniel "taking a shot at you". He was simply addressing the situation and saying that there were a couple falsehoods being regarded here that involves his company. Where did you read him taking a shot at you, in that??

 

[POVPOOL]

I was not talking to you Daniel.

The fact that instead of simply stating your point of view about the situation you take a shot at me is pretty sweet though. Thanks.

Gerri is right. I was NOT being sarcastic with you, Justin. I agree with you that the backdoor politics of any business should be handled confidentially.

You are jumping to conclusions.

 

[Hungarian]

To be fair to all parties involved it's been hard to follow who taking shots at who.



I didn't get Justin's comment in quotes on his post:

"I want to hear both sides"...WTF?

I didn't know if you actually did want to hear both sides, which wouldn't sound right coming from you or if you were being sarcastic towards someone else in the thread or anyone in general who actually wants to know because it's none of their collective business, which I agree with..



And as for Daniel, your post came off pretty harsh in general because you were upset, which is understandable, but it was unclear if you were being sarcastic or serious regarding your comment to JCIN:

"Thank you to Justin Collett for making the astute observation that the public doesn't deserve to hear 'both sides' or whatever".

I wasn't sure if you were being serious when you used the words "astute observation" or if you were calling Justin "Caption Obvious". When you threw in "whatever" at the end that really threw me.




It appears no one has taken any shots and too many people want to get into everyone else's business.

 

[pip9ball]

POV Pool's services are NOT free to everyone else, so don't dare to devalue what I work hard for. I think both, you and Desiree are backpedaling by coming up with a bunch of piss-poor excuses to explain to people what you should have been forthright with from the beginning; that you were already planning to do your own streaming from the get-go.

Now, let's make something very clear here... I don't care that You and West State Billiards and your little knitting circle that you hang out with are going to stream your own tour. In fact, my HAT is OFF and I applaud you for it! I will probably eat lots of popcorn watching it.

P.S. - Thank you to Justin Collett for making the astute observation that the public doesn't deserve to hear 'both sides' or whatever. But in the case when Desiree invokes my name and company with a little untruth about how they told us in advance that we would not be involved with streaming and promotions, then I think I need to address that falsehood. The day everyone heard about the 2nd season's schedule was also the day that Geraldine and I realized that we weren't doing any dates with them. To this day, since the TOP GUN event, we have yet to have a discussion - none of which is needed now.

We are proud of what we did for the Mezz West State Tour because we put our hearts into it.
-------------------

"First you find a little thread, a little thread leads you to a string, and the string leads you to a rope. And from the rope you hang by the neck."

Keep Loving Pool!
- Daniel

Sadly, I think you misinterpreted Oscars comment regarding being free. POV pool is free to the public to watch, however it is not free to MWST (Oscar and Desiree). Nobody is trying to devalue your work, in fact from the thread here you are getting praise for the quality of work you do.

Bottom line, MSWT and POV agreed upon a contract for season 1. POV got paid what they asked for. MSWT decided to go in another direction for season 2 in an attempt to save money and better the tour. I don't understand all the hostility. If people can't understand basic business, then I'm afraid those said people will never make it owning a business.

 

[GaryB]

Sadly, I think you misinterpreted Oscars comment regarding being free. POV pool is free to the public to watch, however it is not free to MWST (Oscar and Desiree). Nobody is trying to devalue your work, in fact from the thread here you are getting praise for the quality of work you do.

Bottom line, MSWT and POV agreed upon a contract for season 1. POV got paid what they asked for. MSWT decided to go in another direction for season 2 in an attempt to save money and better the tour. I don't understand all the hostility. If people can't understand basic business, then I'm afraid those said people will never make it owning a business.

I've built and sold two business's. I understand what happened and why the decision was made. It is how it was done and how Daniel found out about it after the fact. Why not a call to say "Daniel we want to thank you for all that you did this last season but we have decided, as a business decision, that we are going to do our own streaming this next season." Daniel of course is going to try to keep the account and it is not going to be the easiest conversation but it is a conversation that I feel should have taken place. Daniel understands business and no one supports pool more than POV. To find out about such a change 2nd hand is , to me, totally disrespectful. JMO

 

[pip9ball]

I'm going by what was posted originally which mentioned that he was informed that this was going to be a one season gig, however nobody knows what was said other than Daniel and MWST. We can play the he said she said game, but ultimately that gets old really quick. I'm forming my opinions based on what I see in the threads. MWST tour thanked Daniel for his service, gave praise to his talent. Daniel, in return had a not so pleasant tone to his message. I understand he may be upset, but the fact remains MWST made a business decision. Oscar and Desiree didn't bad mouth POV pool, why get hostile? I don't want to beat a dead horse here though. This is solely my opinion, which obviously differs from yours... And that is perfectly fine. Let's just agree to disagree

 

[POVPOOL]

I'm going by what was posted originally which mentioned that he was informed that this was going to be a one season gig, however nobody knows what was said other than Daniel and MWST. We can play the he said she said game, but ultimately that gets old really quick. I'm forming my opinions based on what I see in the threads. MWST tour thanked Daniel for his service, gave praise to his talent. Daniel, in return had a not so pleasant tone to his message. I understand he may be upset, but the fact remains MWST made a business decision. Oscar and Desiree didn't bad mouth POV pool, why get hostile? I don't want to beat a dead horse here though. This is solely my opinion, which obviously differs from yours... And that is perfectly fine. Let's just agree to disagree

I was not informed. I'm a reasonable man. And in cases like this, I'm usually pretty rational. If it sounds like something upset me then you are correct. But it's not about not getting the 2nd season. It's about being brushed off and subsequently having to read that I was in the 'know' about it. I'ts about a campaign of misinformation rather than the truth. I'm not going to sit here and try to justify myself to you any longer.

Business is business. I've said my peace.

 

[watchez]

Since Daniel and everyone else want everything out in the open -- how much does POVPOOL charge to stream an event? Is there a discount for a whole tour?

 

[hotrod622]

Putting a little more $$ in their pockets should not come at the cost of those that have supported and helped create an audience for this tour.

Didn't POV stream from HT Sac last season?

POV did not stream from Hardtimes Sacramento last year. They do their own streaming with their fixed in-house system.