Mika's upset on this shot

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Can you guys guess what went on there?

 

[AuntyDan]

It's a cut/kick/jump/billiard time shot

Can you guys guess what went on there?

My guess is that Mika tried to cut the 9 into the corner. As this is a very thin cut he hit it very hard. I'm guessing it slammed into the first rail, causing it to either jump off the first rail, or fly across table and jump when it hit the second rail. It came back across the table bouncing and hopped off the table and started rolling along the top of the rail itself.

In the meantime the 9 had been overcut so missed the corner pocket. It bounced off the foot rail and rolled back up table.

The cue ball rolled back onto the surface of the table just in time to kiss the 9 into the corner pocket. From your diagram the cue ball actually cut the 9 into the rail first and cheated the pocket.

So it's a cut/kick/jump/billiard time shot. Personally I'd have played something a little more conservative, but I don't shoot at quite the same level as Mika ;-)

I hope you have this shot on video

 

[olauzon]

something must have 'helped' the cb up on the rail, a quarter?

it happened against mika hence being upset? maybe even his opponents quarter.

 

[AuntyDan]

I don't think a foreign object is required, especially if he jacked up a bit on his stroke. (He'd have been needing to get the cue stick out of the way of the cue ball in a hurry.)

 

[td873]

I read this to mean "upset" => as in underdog won, rather than "upset" => Mika was mad.

-td

 

[av84fun]

I read this to mean "upset" => as in underdog won, rather than "upset" => Mika was mad.

-td

Either way he would have been mad. Who was the opponent? I can't believe he would have tried that shot if the diagram is accurate.

MUCH lower percentage than the bank the player could have left Mika.

But slop does count.
(-:

 

[td873]

I read this to mean "upset" => as in underdog won, rather than "upset" => Mika was mad

And just to be clear on this: If Mika shot it, he wouldn't be upset, or upset.

It had to be his opponent shooting.

-td

 

[AuntyDan]

Either way he would have been mad. Who was the opponent? I can't believe he would have tried that shot if the diagram is accurate.

It certainly seems an odd shot choice, the one-rail bank into the opposite corner would look like a better percentage shot to me. But it seems to me a lot of modern 9 Balls pros favor even very tough cuts like this over banks.

Where's the video Wei?

 

[klockdoc]

And just to be clear on this: If Mika shot it, he wouldn't be upset, or upset.

It had to be his opponent shooting.

-td

I think td873 is right. I think Mika was upset because the opponent shot the shot.

I also think that AuntyDan did a very good job of explaining the sequence of events.

 

[Vahmurka]

Wei, we are eager for your solution or even a video but I enjoyed AuntyDan's thorough explanation

 

[efirkey]

if the cueball rolls on the wooden part of the rail, isn't that a foul?

 

[Fragged]

It certainly seems an odd shot choice, the one-rail bank into the opposite corner would look like a better percentage shot to me. But it seems to me a lot of modern 9 Balls pros favor even very tough cuts like this over banks.

Where's the video Wei?

Sometimes the edge of the ball is easier to see.

BTW-Mosconi barely considered a bank a legit shot.

 

[Vahmurka]

if the cueball rolls on the wooden part of the rail, isn't that a foul?

no, a foul is if a cueball rests anywhere besides playing surface. OR hits a lighting device, a piece of chalk, a player, or a broomstick (if nearby ). If it just rolls over the wooden part and comes back to the cloth, it is not a foul.

 

[ndakotan]

Disagree

no, a foul is if a cueball rests anywhere besides playing surface. OR hits a lighting device, a piece of chalk, a player, or a broomstick (if nearby ). If it just rolls over the wooden part and comes back to the cloth, it is not a foul.

Just for the record, I disagree. If it goes outside the cloth (including the cloth on the rails), it is a foul. The wood is not part of the playing surface. If I am wrong, please let me know, but I am pretty sure I remember reading this in print somewhere.

 

[MOJOE]

OK, your wrong ndatotan!!

Just for the record, I disagree. If it goes outside the cloth (including the cloth on the rails), it is a foul. The wood is not part of the playing surface. If I am wrong, please let me know, but I am pretty sure I remember reading this in print somewhere.

OK, you're wrong. As long as the ball does not contact something that is NOT part of the table and it returns to the playing surface without the aid of anyone or any foreign objects, it is NOT a foul.

Saw this happen on an Accustats match, that is what the commentators said... I'm assuming that they and the referee of the match would know!!

JBK

 

[cuetable]

all right, here is what happened:

Mika was on hill at 6:4.

In this game the other guy overcut the ball. The 9 went slowly to the short rail and bounced back. The QB hit the top long rail at 100 mph, hopped a little to hit the bottom long rail, flew back to hit the top long rail, hopped and bounced on the rail twice, jumped back and hit right on the top of returning 9 ball, caused it to hop into the corner pocket. Everything happend within 2 seconds..

He ended up losing the match...

 

[AuntyDan]

no, a foul is if a cueball rests anywhere besides playing surface. OR hits a lighting device, a piece of chalk, a player, or a broomstick (if nearby )

Correct, and this of course is another good reason you should never leave chalk on the rails, just in case you need to shoot a shot like this!

BTW I wonder what kind of table this was played on? If it had curved rail surfaces like a Gold Crown you'd think the cue ball would have just rolled off onto the floor.

 

[cuetable]

no, a foul is if a cueball rests anywhere besides playing surface. OR hits a lighting device, a piece of chalk, a player, or a broomstick (if nearby )QUOTE]

Correct, and this of course is another good reason you should never leave chalk on the rails, just in case you need to shoot a shot like this!

BTW I wonder what kind of table this was played on? If it had curved rail surfaces like a Gold Crown you'd think the cue ball would have just rolled off onto the floor.

It was a Diamond Pro-Am with new Simonis 860 cloth. The layout was drawn by Mika an hour after the match.

 

[Island Drive]

I saw Boston Shorty in a ring game at Johnston City with Mexican Johnny, Springfield Rifle, Richie Florence and Ed Kelly. $50 a game, Shorty just got a five pack of 10 ball racks that hit his wallet before his first turn at the table, he gets up to shoot, makes some incredible kick slop and scratches.....he says "this is the chitts".

 

[Vahmurka]

oh well, Mika's opp got a terrible lucky roll. Sad Mika couldn't win that game eventually. But kudos to him for being able to talk about that and draw a layout after what he suffered.