Where do you get the most English on the cue ball in relation to the miscue line? Does that change with the horizontal or vertical or diagonal point of cue contact?
Miscue Limit
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this is from dr dave
: to apply maximum English, you can hit the cue ball as faroff center as you want as long as you are confident you won’t miscue. The 0.5R offset is stillprobably a good limit to stay within.
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and i would say thats on the horizontal/equator as anything else is a blend (no proof just seems right)
although with a touch below horizontal you can get a larger rebound angle off the railjmho
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Yes, but as Dave said, it's about halfway from center to edge of the CB, so you don't need to start far from that to find it.
So you're saying it's always rocket science?Not rocket science, well not til PJ tells us we're all full of shit.
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whatever you say dude. if the all knowing Oz speaks we peons must obey. or ignore. the choice is easy.Yes, but as Dave said, it's about halfway from center to edge of the CB, so you don't need to start far from that to find it.
So you're saying it's always rocket science?
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I am trying the find the point where you get maximum English. It is not necessarily close to the miscue limit.
Cannot describe it but you’ll know it when you see it.You'll know when you get there. Just keep hitting shots while gradually moving away from center. When u miscue you gone too far. That's really the only way to find it. Not rocket science, well not til PJ tells us we're all full of shit.
Here’s my suggestion. Don’t go further than 3/8 of an inch from center in any direction.
Should get you where you wanna go.
The 'Purer' the stroke, the margin of error for 'Max effect' applied is larger.
IMPO, more miscues happen when a player tries to apply 'Extreme Draw' to the CB than trying to apply 'Extreme Side spin'!
Also, especially on 'Draw' shots getting a level bridge height is important!
To achieve that a player will have to change their bridge.
This was Hoppe's 'Fist' bridge for 'Nip' draw shots.
I still use it when the CB and OB are within 6"-10" apart.
IMPO, more miscues happen when a player tries to apply 'Extreme Draw' to the CB than trying to apply 'Extreme Side spin'!
Also, especially on 'Draw' shots getting a level bridge height is important!
To achieve that a player will have to change their bridge.
This was Hoppe's 'Fist' bridge for 'Nip' draw shots.
I still use it when the CB and OB are within 6"-10" apart.
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It is generally agreed that ½ radius away from center is the miscue limit T-B and L-R
If you view the geometry from the center of CB the miscue limit circle moves with the angle of the cue.
So, you miscue limit when the cue is at 90º to the playing surface is still ½ radius, but seen looking straight down on CB.
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wit cue at 90º the backspin miscue limit is at the same point as the top-spin miscue limit with the cue flat to the bed of the table.
Absolute max side spin can be achieved by hitting around 4 o’clock English and letting the ball transition from sliding to rolling mode. The math on this is somewhere but I forget where. It has to do with breaking static friction between the cloth and ball at impact and letting the axis of rotation stabilize.
In other words, hitting here creates rotational inertia in the ball, so that when it decomposes into a superposition of both horizontal and vertical axes of rotation, the magnitude around the vertical axis will be maximized.
If you hit pure side spin at 3 or 9 o’clock then no slipping occurs and the friction of the cloth will force more energy into the rotational inertia around the horizontal axis.
In other words, hitting here creates rotational inertia in the ball, so that when it decomposes into a superposition of both horizontal and vertical axes of rotation, the magnitude around the vertical axis will be maximized.
If you hit pure side spin at 3 or 9 o’clock then no slipping occurs and the friction of the cloth will force more energy into the rotational inertia around the horizontal axis.
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For most sets of pool balls: Get a stripe. Put the stripe vertical and aligned towards you. You should be able to hit anywhere on the stripe and not miscue (Edit: for hits on the equator -- no follow or draw). Put the stripe horizontal and that will tell you how far you can hit down on the ball.
(This varies a little with the design of the ball and the kind of chalk you use, but not a lot.)
(This varies a little with the design of the ball and the kind of chalk you use, but not a lot.)
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Simple. I like simple being the simpleton that i am. The longer i'm on here the dumber i feel. In case you believe that shit i've got some beachfront property in Nevada for sale.
Seriously, these are the kind of tips Joe Public needs to see. Easy to do and immediate feedback.
I thought the OP’s question was where, on the CB, do you get the most english? I think he full well knows where the miscue limit is but where, in relation to the miscue limit, do you hit for max english? I too am curious. Is it at the limit, half way from center to limit, 2/3 from center to limit or where?
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The answer is at the maximum miscue limit of 55% ball radius from center, at 4 or 8 o’clock English.
My low seems to be further out than the high when applying max side spin. Peculiarities of my stroke.
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Digiball will answer that question for you in minutes. Once they're available, that is.
I trust this answer but it does surprise me. My logic was that, as you approach the miscue limit, there would be a point where the coefficient of friction would lessen exponentially, causing less purchase of the tip to provide max English.
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