Miscue with Taom v10 chalk

Yes, the tips get glazed over -or- polished -or- hardened.

I had to find my tip tool and luckily it was in an older pool case. I've been tapping it and brushing it over with the sandpaper before every session.

I'm flying the cue ball with both shafts. Soft kamui and hard kamui tips.
 
KingSamurai said:
My experience is that I miscue a little more often with Taom and I tried the Pyro and V10. It makes sense that a grittier chalk has more grip, from a physics point of view. Another benefit for me using Master's chalk is that I rarely have to scuff my tip as the abrasive chalk seems to keep the tip from glazing over. The downsides seems to be the chalk is a little messier, but not on the level of predator chalk which I finda bit gooey.
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It's almost similar to if your truck tire was stuck in a hole. Would you fill it with sand and gravel or fill it with baking soda or flour.

The more I use this chalk and its been over a year and 4 months the more I notice its nuances. Maybe it changes over time. I bought what I thought was a fresh piece of chalk. The pool hall just got them so I bought it. Fresh from the box I didn't notice anything but its been over a year now.
 
nataddrho said:
... You have to go with controlled empirical data, such as Dr Dave’s experiment mentioned earlier,...
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Well, it's anecdotal, but....

The snooker pros have nearly all changed over to the new no-mess chalk. The skids/kicks/bad contacts have nearly disappeared. Also, chalk smudges on the cloth are gone. What I noticed is that when they first changed over, there were more miscues than usual. Maybe that was just by chance, but I suspect that it was due to some difference in the chalk. I'm used to using a square chalk, and the way I hold round chalk is different. Also, it's a different material, and maybe a different motion is best to get it on the tip.

Now, over a year on from the change over, I don't notice as many miscues. The players have had time to get used to whatever the differences might have been, but also the version of the chalk has been updated. Or maybe the miscues I noticed were all by chance.

What Dr. Dave's experiments did not cover was how the typical pro player uses the chalk. Dave was very careful in how he applied the chalk. Most players chalk by whatever habits they have developed over years of play.
 
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I think some of us feel strongly that there is a stroke issue here at play. I am willing to entertain that notion only by saying that it still comes down to where you actually end up hitting the ball in relation to miscue limit, considering a straight & level stroke.

With that in mind... I'd like to add that maybe some of us are not shooting with the latest "Lowest LD shafts" on the market. So, if you are shooting with an older shaft, then you already have a larger miscue limit or margin of error to spare in your stroke. This source is for the Dr. Dave fans:
 
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We all have Chalk we like, and see no reason to change out likes.

Had V-10, it was CLEAN, but was not anything special in MY WORLD.

Tried it, use it 45 days, sold it to someone who had to have latest n greatest.
 
fastone371 said:
They were talking mainly about how everyone uses Taom and that skids have virtually disappeared. There was a single mention of some players having miscues when Taom was brand new but not anymore. If anything it was a positive endorsement for Taom
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Everyone that is saying Taom chalk is cleaner and prevents skids... I 100% agree.

Yes, It was a positive endorsement. But I don't think the Taom formula changed that drastically. It might have slightly helped, but in large I think pro players figured out how to adjust.
 
billiards_watch said:
I use the Pyro and its shit. Its good because its clean but you still have to apply after every shot or every other shot. They promoted it as chalk that doesn't need to be chalked every shot.

The only good thing about this chalk is that its clean.

Besides that I have miscue and fly the cue ball off the table more this year than my entire life playing pool. I've developed a reputation for it. When they see a cue ball on the ground most of the regulars know its from me.

When I use a master chalk, you would seldom see my fly a cue ball off the table. Maybe once a year at most.
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I have a break cue with a phenolic tip. It doesn’t accept V10 well. I miscued a lot before I gave up and went back to Masters for breaking.

V10 is no worse for me with a regular playing tip.
 
dquarasr said:
I have a break cue with a phenolic tip. It doesn’t accept V10 well. I miscued a lot before I gave up and went back to Masters for breaking.

V10 is no worse for me with a regular playing tip.
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I have a phenolic breaker and yes, it doesn't take chalk very well. I have a one minute routine where I have to brush it on and it doesn't really hold.

I let my opponent break first every time if I'm putting my break cue together.
 
Blaming the chalk for your miscues is like denying that your stroke was the reason why.

V10 does not contribute to miscues. Not applying chalk more often and “correctly” is a
reason and so is using too much English. I see this happen very often with pool players
that use thin shafts thinking they can get more tips of English using a thin diameter shaft.

Apparently these players don’t understand how little of the tip’s surface area actually makes
contact with the cue ball on their stroke regardless of the tip having a nickel or dime contour.
Use less English and a little more object ball cut and your miscues will diminish in frequency.
And always brush apply chalk more than once a week, i.e., more often. Don’t core your chalk.

But if you are going to blame your chalk for miscuing, what’s next? Blame your cue tip brand
or the cue maker for building a unreliable pool cue? Stop looking for excuses and concentrate
more on less extreme application of English but most of all, applying chalk correctly and often.
 
cueball2010 said:
How did the pro's overcome the miscues with v10 chalk? Did they adjust their miscue limit on the CB, and stop hitting as far out on the CB edges as they use to?

People say it is a stroke issue but I strongly believe the the grittier chalks let you hit, or give you a larger miscue limit.

Does Taom V10 and other soft chalks give you the same spin as grittier/harder chalks without having to hit as far outside on the cueball?
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I don't care what chalk you use, if you miscue, that 99.9% of the time a user error. The solution is simple, stop going so far out on the CB. Look at the best players today the majority of their shots are stop ball shots.
 
Bavafongoul said:
Blaming the chalk for your miscues is like denying that your stroke was the reason why.
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That's not always true. I've had to use off-brand chalk in bars that was little better than a bare tip. I agree that if it is a well-known chalk brand, if you miscue, it is more likely that you hit the cue ball too far from center.

On the other hand, I was giving a lesson on a home table with red cloth and red chalk. When we got to a spin-the-cue ball section, it was a disaster. The chalk didn't work. The student got new red chalk. It didn't work. Eventually we got to standard blue chalk (on green cloth) and everything was normal. That was a well-known brand of chalk. Maybe it was old, or dry, or wet, or counterfeit, or ....
 
sciarco said:
Mr garczar ur bang on sir it's not the arrow it's the archer.(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)
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I disagree or else we all be shooting with house cues.

A lot of guys have cues here that are worth more than all the house cues put together at any given pool hall. Some have enough to buy a car or put a down payment on a home.

While its true but its not something we should say if you have what I mentioned above.
 
Bob Jewett said:
That's not always true. I've had to use off-brand chalk in bars that was little better than a bare tip. I agree that if it is a well-known chalk brand, if you miscue, it is more likely that you hit the cue ball too far from center.

On the other hand, I was giving a lesson on a home table with red cloth and red chalk. When we got to a spin-the-cue ball section, it was a disaster. The chalk didn't work. The student got new red chalk. It didn't work. Eventually we got to standard blue chalk (on green cloth) and everything was normal. That was a well-known brand of chalk. Maybe it was old, or dry, or wet, or counterfeit, or ....
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Bob……I concur completely….crappy chalk is just pure junk…..that why my remarks referenced TAOM V10.
It certainly is not a cheap, inferior brand of chalk but too many players treat it like the original Henry repeating rifle.

Load it on Sunday and shoot all week long. That rifle had to eventually get reloaded and chalk is the same thing. It
has to be reapplied to your cue tip. The problem is too many players apply it incorrectly and don’t do it often enough.
 
Last time I miscued Old Yeller was a puppy.
I just played 3 cushion for 6 days straight,
6 games to 25 everyday without a miscue.
Took today off and went to the beach with my wife.
The amazing thing is I use Blue Master Chalk.
Go figure.

I think I miscued playing 10 ball about 12 years ago, I’m not sure.
 
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