monday night league incident

bigskyjake

bigskyjake

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ok here's what happened. Last night during league we were playing a team that we had never gone up against before, they seemed like nice enough guys until play started. First off every time they fouled (which was alot) they say things like, "i can't believe you're taking ball in hand for that" and "that's not how we play it" even blatant fouls like tapping the cueball on warmup strokes and trying to bridge over a ball and knocking it out of the way. It all finally came to a head when i was playing a guy and presented him with a pretty difficult leave on the eight. He's standing there looking it over and then i notice on of his buddies setting up the exact same shot on the table right next to us trying different ways to either make it or leave me bad, i notice he's looking over there every time his buddy shoots it, so i go up to his buddy and tell him to stop, the guy i'm playing says to me oh it doesn't matter it's a one in a million shot anyway. I say not when you get to see it tried five times. The rest of the league night was pretty edgy. My question is have any of you seen this happen and what did you do. I don't want to report it to the person who runs the league, but this kind of thing can't be happening

thanks, jake
 
I don't want to report it to the person who runs the league
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Why not? While it may be considered rude or overly anal to not allow a player to move a ball which was inadvertently touched back in place, those are the rules.

While I don't know of a specific rule that prevents someone from lining up the exact shot on a table next to you, I don't believe that's sportsmanlike and would definately take it up with the league op(if only to inform them).
 
That's pretty shady, I think I would not have said anything but stand directly in between them so they couldn't see the shot. If they can shoot whatever they want to, you can stand whereever you want to, fair is fair.
 
I see it all the time. I played a guy last week and noticed their top player, sitting down, making hand gestures as to where he should shoot his next shot. I never said a word to anyone but glared at this guy in the chair until he realized I knew what he was up to.
It quickly came to an end and no words were spoken. I just gave him a look like, "I know what you're doing and you know it's wrong".
My reasoning for not saying anything...I like these guys and I figured that even though he was chair coaching, the other guy still had to get out. He did and I lost but not because of the coaching...he just shot better that night.
 
Yup, that's pretty shady and I, personally, wouldn't tolerate it... I'd take a deal of them crawfish and drill that ol' player in the ass...
 
We had sorta the same thing during playoffs last session.

The other team had a 3 at the table, so of course he needed all the advise he could get......but that's what time-outs are for.

So there were two guys from another team, not on the team we were playing, but they were "friends" of the team we were playing.

So these two guys would stand within ear shot of the table and every time the three from the other team got up to the table, these guys would coach him under the guise of "just talking" to each other. "What do you think, I'd shoot the seven first and come around for the four", or "I would leave those balls together, I wouldn't break those up".
 
Damn! I've played APA for over 25 years .....

and I've never had anything that outrageous occur ! the rules in APA are quite clear on these subjects, I have had (just sunday in fact) folks talk to a player after my player left the table and all I had to do was tell them once that I would call it a time out if they did it again and it was over! In the scenario that you describe that is clearly either a Coaching offense or a Foul!(I have no experience with the BCA rules or lack of thereof in that situation) and it should certainly be reported to the person in charge in either case! :cool:

If you allow this team to continue breaking the rules then it is only your fault when you play them again and they do the same things to you! In my opinion league play is suppose to be fun and fair not a chore and irritation as it must have been in playing these matches and the only way to resolve these issues is to either have the rules clarified to this team or get them out of the league!:mad:
 
If this is the way that BCA leagues are run....

Jeff said:
We had sorta the same thing during playoffs last session.

The other team had a 3 at the table, so of course he needed all the advise he could get......but that's what time-outs are for.

So there were two guys from another team, not on the team we were playing, but they were "friends" of the team we were playing.

So these two guys would stand within ear shot of the table and every time the three from the other team got up to the table, these guys would coach him under the guise of "just talking" to each other. "What do you think, I'd shoot the seven first and come around for the four", or "I would leave those balls together, I wouldn't break those up".
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You will not ever have to worry about seeing me in any of their leagues ! wheres the fun and fair play in all of this? I play league to relax and have fun ! To cut out the BS from play that you encounter in private or local leagues and tournys These experiences that you are all relating would make me not want to play in these leagues!:cool:
 
mr lucky reminded me with his post. These guys kept coming up and saying "you guys are taking this too seriously we're just here to have some beers and watch the game(bears vs. cardinals)" ok i thought, then why are you playing league. It's obvious these guys don't know and don't want to know about the rules. it would be horrible to play bar rules jungle ball:(
 
The best part about leagues are that everyone has a set list of rules to follow. If the league operator does not enforce them (or your team for that matter), that's your fault.

This way, you don't have variations from bar to bar, table to table, or even from game to game on the same table, and helps prevent issues, written or unwritten.

It's funny how some people in league say they don't take things too seriously, but those same people sure don't act that way.
 
Gregg said:
The best part about leagues are that everyone has a set list of rules to follow. If the league operator does not enforce them (or your team for that matter), that's your fault.

This way, you don't have variations from bar to bar, table to table, or even from game to game on the same table, and helps prevent issues, written or unwritten.

It's funny how some people in league say they don't take things too seriously, but those same people sure don't act that way.
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exactly, they didn't believe us about touch fouls and even after we showed them the league rules they still didn't think it should be called
 
Then the next step would be.....

bigskyjake said:
exactly, they didn't believe us about touch fouls and even after we showed them the league rules they still didn't think it should be called
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:cool: To have the league operator carefully explain the rules and regulations and the importance of them!!! and if that doesn't work ...... :p
 
bigskyjake said:
exactly, they didn't believe us about touch fouls and even after we showed them the league rules they still didn't think it should be called
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I think a touch foul is a little extreme for an amatuer league, I think an amatuer league should be cue ball fouls only. However, if it is the rule in the BCA it should be enforced and they should stop whining about it.

Edit: just occured to me by touch fouls you meant a minimal touch of the cue ball, in that case I agree with the rules. I thought you meant accidentally touching another ball with your cue or sleeve or something.
 
catscradle, i was talking about all ball fouls i.e. sleeve or bridge hand touching an object ball. I like cue ball foul only rules myself but rules is rules
 
in APA

bigskyjake said:
catscradle, i was talking about all ball fouls i.e. sleeve or bridge hand touching an object ball. I like cue ball foul only rules myself but rules is rules
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these fouls (accidentally moved by clothes or hand) are now not considered a ball in hand to your opponent ! the moved ball is to be placed back as close as possible to its original place. In the past your opponent had the right to move the accidently moved ball back or to leave it where it was as long as it was not moved by the cue tip or ferrule which was and still is a ball in hand foul!
 
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