More APA League Crap......

[Banks]

Reason #34,897 not to play in the APA. If this isn't reason enough for you to quit, I don't know what would be. Cheaters, poor handicapping, low life good for nothing players, there's just nothing to be gained from playing in the league.

league's are for bowlers.

Nobody cheated, but then that would ruin your first excuse. Poor handicapping? What's the matter, did you lose to a 2? Low life good for nothing players ... must be talking about the good players, like the "hustlers" that don't have 2 dimes to rub together and sleep on somebody's couch.

Leagues are great - I hope you don't ruin one for other people by joining.

 

[walrus_3d]

Reason #34,897 not to play in the APA. If this isn't reason enough for you to quit, I don't know what would be. Cheaters, poor handicapping, low life good for nothing players, there's just nothing to be gained from playing in the league.

league's are for bowlers.

If the leagues were as full of degenerates as you seem to think they are, there wouldn't be anybody playing in them. Get a handle on your hyperbole and come back when you can contribute to the conversation.

Most of the really good friends I have now, I met through league pool. I'm not talking about the have a few drinks on the weekend good friends, I mean "hey I'm going out of town and need somebody to feed my cats for me, make sure nobody breaks into the house, etc." "Hey my car broke down can you give me a ride to the shop." Like actual friends who care about you and are generally good people, supportive, things like that. Leagues don't attract bad people, leagues attract everybody which means the bad people come, too.

If nobody in the leagues followed the rules, you wouldn't notice the rules being broken, ever.

 

[laserbrn]

The poor handicapping system of the APA is blaringly obvious and well documented so I'm not going to go into that.

My point isn't that ALL of the players in league are degenerates, but thanks for putting those words out there for me.

There are enough degenerates though to keep me away from the league. At least around here, it's irritating. Not every week, but enough for me to want to spend my time doing something else.

Obviously there are some good people and some bad, there's just more tolerance for the bad than there should be or would be in other activities (except for bowling, haha).

 

[laserbrn]

Nobody cheated, but then that would ruin your first excuse. Poor handicapping? What's the matter, did you lose to a 2? Low life good for nothing players ... must be talking about the good players, like the "hustlers" that don't have 2 dimes to rub together and sleep on somebody's couch.

Leagues are great - I hope you don't ruin one for other people by joining.

Nobody cheated? Really? Calling fouls that aren't fouls and then arguing about it and twisting around rules? You can't be serious? Are you that big of a nit too? You think this was played out right?

 

[walrus_3d]

The poor handicapping system of the APA is blaringly obvious and well documented so I'm not going to go into that.

Strange, whenever we mark safeties and submit appropriate write-ups, players who are playing below their skill level seem to move up. Weirdest thing.

Locally we (as in my teams) have managed to get 3s moved up to 4s, and in one case we moved a 3 up to a 5 after inviting a division rep to watch a match. I'm not as concerned about the 6s who should be 7s. At that level you're both a threat to run out regardless, but that 3 to 4 gap is pretty huge.

 

[Banks]

Nobody cheated? Really? Calling fouls that aren't fouls and then arguing about it and twisting around rules? You can't be serious? Are you that big of a nit too? You think this was played out right?

The rule was misinterpreted. His own captain agreed to the ruling. Does that mean his captain cheated, too?

Isn't nit a bit of a big word for you to use?

Last I checked, I didn't say the guy wasn't a douche. I just think it's backwards to complain about a rule affecting a game that you agreed to play without knowing the rules.

The L.O. in my area suggests that calling a rule violation on a non-marked pocket(for example) is more of a sportsmanship violation if the intended pocket is known. The reason for the marking of the pocket is to prevent arguments, not to create a rule by which to win. I'd think the other rule was created for the same reason.. so people don't go fudging the balls on the table to change the layout or lock things up that weren't originally.

I guess nobody should play tournaments or gamble either, since there's chopping and dumping, too. So, what you're saying is that nobody should play pool.. or that you just like playing with yourself?

 

[laserbrn]

The rule was misinterpreted. His own captain agreed to the ruling. Does that mean his captain cheated, too?

Isn't nit a bit of a big word for you to use?

Last I checked, I didn't say the guy wasn't a douche. I just think it's backwards to complain about a rule affecting a game that you agreed to play without knowing the rules.

The L.O. in my area suggests that calling a rule violation on a non-marked pocket(for example) is more of a sportsmanship violation if the intended pocket is known. The reason for the marking of the pocket is to prevent arguments, not to create a rule by which to win. I'd think the other rule was created for the same reason.. so people don't go fudging the balls on the table to change the layout or lock things up that weren't originally.

I guess nobody should play tournaments or gamble either, since there's chopping and dumping, too. So, what you're saying is that nobody should play pool.. or that you just like playing with yourself?

I've been playing pool for 15 years and nowhere is it as bad as the APA. you call the guy a douche, and claim that you're APA LO would agree it's unsportsmanlike conduct, but to you it's not cheating.

I'm glad you've got a good group of guys in your local APA league, I haven't had the same experience. Actually to answer your question if it was between playing in the APA and not playing at all, I'd find another hobby. Fortunately, that's not the case. There are local tournaments and plenty of GOOD people to play with at my local pool hall. The APA guys/gals are generally once a week players that are pretty worthless in the way of competition.

Everyone is free to express their experience and I'm glad to hear that yours has been good.

 

[TheNewSharkster]

RunoutJJ, I haven't read the whole thread so if this was already mentioned I apologize.

In APA the call goes to the shooter unless a third party is watching. You should have just told him the 5 wasn't rolling when you picked up the cue ball. Nobody could have said anything about that since it is your call.

 

[TheNewSharkster]

Reason #34,897 not to play in the APA. If this isn't reason enough for you to quit, I don't know what would be. Cheaters, poor handicapping, low life good for nothing players, there's just nothing to be gained from playing in the league.

league's are for bowlers.

This is the exception not the standard. More times than not everything works good in APA. People like you are bowlers IMO

 

[scratchs]

RunoutJJ, I haven't read the whole thread so if this was already mentioned I apologize.

In APA the call goes to the shooter unless a third party is watching. You should have just told him the 5 wasn't rolling when you picked up the cue ball. Nobody could have said anything about that since it is your call.

Hehehe...aaaah your right..I think that may have caused a full on blaze.

 

[Banks]

I'm glad you've got a good group of guys in your local APA league, I haven't had the same experience. Actually to answer your question if it was between playing in the APA and not playing at all, I'd find another hobby. Fortunately, that's not the case. There are local tournaments and plenty of GOOD people to play with at my local pool hall. The APA guys/gals are generally once a week players that are pretty worthless in the way of competition.

Everyone is free to express their experience and I'm glad to hear that yours has been good.

Yeah, we actually have a pretty good group here in OR. I've found the APA players can have quite a range, but that's going to be the case in whatever you do with that many random people.

My apologies for coming off a bit snippy, but I've found many of the APA bashers to be full of it, ie- non-max'd players complaining about lack of competition or simply saying they're "too good", people complaining about rules that they don't read about, a "4 that shoots like a 6" when everyone damn well knows that in 2 more racks they may shoot like a "2", etc etc.

My g/f got me a kinda cool(trust me, I laughed when she gave it to me) APA shirt that I love to wear to pool to see if I can get any bites.. the only players around here that intimidate me on a barbox(8b) are the strong masters and I started playing pool 7 years ago through APA. I do my best to help my friends out and enjoy watching them improve. Oh, and like my first post in the thread.. I live for knocking the bad people in the league down a notch.

One of the many things put out by the LO this session: "Sharking your opponent with constant chatter, standing in their line of sight or smart remarks is cause for disciplinary action up to and including getting kicked out of the league."

Found this gem(again, sent out this season) in regards to this same kind of thing: "It is the end of the session. Last chance to get those extra points to make it to playoffs and tri-cups. Everyone is taking things a little more seriously. One thing you must remember, however, is that sportsmanship should prevail in all instances. We have too many teams taking the literal sense of the rules instead of using common sense and playing within the spirit of the rules. There is that common sense thing again! Already this week we have had teams using the rules to their advantage. Winning by the book instead of on the table. Case in point. The rule about marking the pocket that the 8-ball is to go in. The intent or “spirit” of the rule is to keep players from shooting at one pocket, missing it completely and having the 8-ball go into an entirely different pocket. Then claiming that was what they intended. Twice this week, that we know of, the player has ball-in-hand on the 8-ball, the 8-ball is sitting in the jaws of the pocket. There is absolutely no doubt as to which pocket the shooter is aiming at. But because they forgot to mark the pocket, the opposing team took that game away from the player because of the rules. Let’s get real folks. Anyone in the room, including the opponent, could have said “mark your pocket”. This is very poor sportsmanship and if there had been a referee present, that game most likely would have been awarded to the shooter and the opposing team would have been given a sportsmanship violation. That is not playing fair, that is using the rules to your advantage... Yes, you need to know the rules and when your team mate messes up, you need to inform them of the rules, so that if you run across one of those kinds of teams, your player does not lose their game or match on a technicality."

 

[cuemonster]

I know this topic has been done to death but I really need to vent about this. Here's the situation:

Im an SL8 playing a SL5 in APA 9 ball. I win the lag, break and then start playing the rack. I get funny on the 3 ball and foul. The cueball comes to a rest and I pick up the ball to hand it to my opponent and he calls me on a ball in motion rule

Aparently he said that the 5 ball was still in motion when I grabbed the cueball after it came to a halt. I look back at the 5 and I was in the middle of the table with no other balls around it. No chance of it hitting anything or going into a pocket. Yes granted this is a rule (Stupid one in fact) but was it really neccessary for him to call it instead of letting it go?? I argue with him about it for a solid 5 minutes and finally say "F" IT!!! Ill spot you another 8 points to your nit ass if thats how you're gonna be about it :angry:

He's talking crap to others while im playing and just being a royal ass!! He does this to everybody (word around the league) so its not just me but come on already.. ITS LEAGUE MAN!!! Like he's gonna win when he goes to Vegas?? Give me a break :lol:

Well I couldn't get past it (not very professional on my part) and I played like shit and end up losing by 18 points... Well really 10 points

I was still heated because of how I felt about the opening rack. This is a guy I really like when Im not playing him but I really felt that he was being unsportmans like and needs to realize that. It wasnt the point of losing to him... I don't mind losing as long as you beat me on the square and with a level of honor and respect. Which there wasnt any.. I guess its because everytime I've played him I spank him good. One 8 ball tourney I played him twice and won 5-0 both sets. His attitude was the same there aswell... He's was there booing me and cheering for my opponent on the rail with his buddies when I was playing my next opponent. Really?? Grow the hell up!!!

Im a really nice guy but you can only take so much before you blow up. Well after this league match with the unsportsman like behavior his buddies start to get at me when I was going off on him for the shit he just pulled. Normally I let it go and move on but this was the straw that broke my back.

This get more heated and his buddies started to get really agressive saying lets go to the parking lot and yadda yadda yadda.. One of them goes after my chef from work that came along to hang out. Eventually management stepped in and calmed everybody down... Lucky my chef was calm because even though he's a bigger or heavy set guy he was a sergant in the army and his dad was a coloneil.. Definitely somebody you dont want to dance with..

Funny but I read about this topic a lot on here and think this doenst or wont happen to me. Yes he was right when calling me out on breaking a very stupid rule.. Yes I was wrong to not let it go and play my game win or lose. It just goes back to everything that has happened in the past with this guy that got the best of me. In the future I'll remind myself to stay calm collected and professional but as for league play.... Never again. Im offically retiring :boring2:

If he's reading this then Im sorry for my behavior. Your a great guy off the table and I really like ya but you need to work on being a good sport and not a nit.....

Rant over.......

If you are an 8 it's time to graduate and leave APA behind.

 

[laserbrn]

Found this gem(again, sent out this season) in regards to this same kind of thing: "It is the end of the session. Last chance to get those extra points to make it to playoffs and tri-cups. Everyone is taking things a little more seriously. One thing you must remember, however, is that sportsmanship should prevail in all instances. We have too many teams taking the literal sense of the rules instead of using common sense and playing within the spirit of the rules. There is that common sense thing again! Already this week we have had teams using the rules to their advantage. Winning by the book instead of on the table. Case in point. The rule about marking the pocket that the 8-ball is to go in. The intent or “spirit” of the rule is to keep players from shooting at one pocket, missing it completely and having the 8-ball go into an entirely different pocket. Then claiming that was what they intended. Twice this week, that we know of, the player has ball-in-hand on the 8-ball, the 8-ball is sitting in the jaws of the pocket. There is absolutely no doubt as to which pocket the shooter is aiming at. But because they forgot to mark the pocket, the opposing team took that game away from the player because of the rules. Let’s get real folks. Anyone in the room, including the opponent, could have said “mark your pocket”. This is very poor sportsmanship and if there had been a referee present, that game most likely would have been awarded to the shooter and the opposing team would have been given a sportsmanship violation. That is not playing fair, that is using the rules to your advantage... Yes, you need to know the rules and when your team mate messes up, you need to inform them of the rules, so that if you run across one of those kinds of teams, your player does not lose their game or match on a technicality."

I know that crap happens, and I accepted and swallowed that stupid rule as it gets called pretty often and everyone is very mindful about it. I'm sure my bias is because of the pool room more than the league itself, and maybe I'll just drive further and check out a league one of these days, but I just assumed it's the group you get at a bar.

A lot of these guys have had their own league for a few years now on another night of the week, just a "frienly league", turns out the guy that's been running it has been cheating all along, stealing from the raffle's, and just running this little hustle to make some money. Just to show you the kind of people run around here. It's been known all along and someone just finally put the screws to the guys, but it's just a joke overall. I'd rather not associate with any of those clowns.

Some of the policies though of the APA just don't make sense and it seems like I hear stories of the same kind of people all of the time and the frustration doesn't seem worth it.

 

[OneIron]

Just found our Local bylaws Here's the ruling that got twisted for this guy to pull this cock-o-mainy BS...






d. In 9-Ball, altering the path of a cue ball in motion, when shooting at any ball, is a LOSS OF GAME foul. A loss of game foul is entered on the score sheet in this manner:

1. Add 1 inning to the game.
2. The non-shooter receives credit for all balls still on the table.
3. The non-shooter breaks the next rack.

e. Both players must wait for the cue ball to come to a complete stop before touching it. EVEN THE INCOMING SHOOTER must wait for it to stop! If the incoming shooter touches the cue ball before it stops, it will be a ball-in-hand foul for the player that just shot.


f. In 9-Ball, altering the path of a single object ball in motion, including the 9-ball, is a ball-in-hand foul. Object balls other than the 9-ball that are pocketed as a result of this stay down and are added to the opponent player’s total score. If the 9-ball is pocketed it is spotted immediately.

g. Altering the path of more than one object ball is loss of game. This situation is scored as in e above.



The cueball was at rest and the 5 ball was moving.. So as the Operator stated earlier... The guy was a low level cheat :nono:

And therein lies one of my pet peeves about the APA. Local by-laws. Why have a national league with a different set of rules in each territory?

 

[cookie man]

If you are an 8 it's time to graduate and leave APA behind.

So what is the next step?

 

[OneIron]

Yeah, we actually have a pretty good group here in OR. I've found the APA players can have quite a range, but that's going to be the case in whatever you do with that many random people.

My apologies for coming off a bit snippy, but I've found many of the APA bashers to be full of it, ie- non-max'd players complaining about lack of competition or simply saying they're "too good", people complaining about rules that they don't read about, a "4 that shoots like a 6" when everyone damn well knows that in 2 more racks they may shoot like a "2", etc etc.

My g/f got me a kinda cool(trust me, I laughed when she gave it to me) APA shirt that I love to wear to pool to see if I can get any bites.. the only players around here that intimidate me on a barbox(8b) are the strong masters and I started playing pool 7 years ago through APA. I do my best to help my friends out and enjoy watching them improve. Oh, and like my first post in the thread.. I live for knocking the bad people in the league down a notch.

One of the many things put out by the LO this session: "Sharking your opponent with constant chatter, standing in their line of sight or smart remarks is cause for disciplinary action up to and including getting kicked out of the league."

Found this gem(again, sent out this season) in regards to this same kind of thing: "It is the end of the session. Last chance to get those extra points to make it to playoffs and tri-cups. Everyone is taking things a little more seriously. One thing you must remember, however, is that sportsmanship should prevail in all instances. We have too many teams taking the literal sense of the rules instead of using common sense and playing within the spirit of the rules. There is that common sense thing again! Already this week we have had teams using the rules to their advantage. Winning by the book instead of on the table. Case in point. The rule about marking the pocket that the 8-ball is to go in. The intent or “spirit” of the rule is to keep players from shooting at one pocket, missing it completely and having the 8-ball go into an entirely different pocket. Then claiming that was what they intended. Twice this week, that we know of, the player has ball-in-hand on the 8-ball, the 8-ball is sitting in the jaws of the pocket. There is absolutely no doubt as to which pocket the shooter is aiming at. But because they forgot to mark the pocket, the opposing team took that game away from the player because of the rules. Let’s get real folks. Anyone in the room, including the opponent, could have said “mark your pocket”. This is very poor sportsmanship and if there had been a referee present, that game most likely would have been awarded to the shooter and the opposing team would have been given a sportsmanship violation. That is not playing fair, that is using the rules to your advantage... Yes, you need to know the rules and when your team mate messes up, you need to inform them of the rules, so that if you run across one of those kinds of teams, your player does not lose their game or match on a technicality."

if I lived in your region, I might consider playing APA again. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen a game stolen on a technicality like the idiotic mark your pocket rule. I always refused to accept a game won on a technicality. I once threatened my captain with quitting the team because he insisted on calling a foul when my opponent didn't mark the pocket. This was after my opponent and I had a gentleman's agreement that we would simply call the pocket (like normal players). My captain grudgingly agreed. I found another team the next session.

BTW, I've never seen this mythical situation where a player pockets the 8 ball in the wrong pocket and wins. The mark your pocket rule is simply an open invitation for an unscrupulous player to steal a game.

 

[RunoutJJ]

So what is the next step?

Coaching Team USA in the Mosconi Cup is on the top of my list :lol: