More Break Cue talk

[WGDave]

I'm looking at a Rage Heavy Hitter Break Cue 25oz vs CueTec Bullet 19oz
Is heavier better for breaking or have no value. I realize it's technique not equipment.
TIA. Frank

See what happens when you buy a new case?

You need to buy cues to fill it up

The real question is not what break cue you should buy...it should be will you have to sneak it in the back door to avoid the wifey. Once it is in the JB Rugged case she knows nothing about, it's a done deal

As for the break cue, I have been looking at the J&J Spark Break Cue after a few recommendations from members on AZB. It's under a $100.00.

http://www.jjcue.com/sparkbk.htm

 

[dr_dave]

The force equation won't be relevant.

Most of the physics "analysis" in this thread is irrelevant (or just downright incorrect).

Some breakers will achieve that efficient maximum with a lighter cue while others will with a heavier cue, all depending on the breaker's body and breaking style.

Agreed. There are many factors (especially physiology) that determine the optimal break cue weight for a specific individual.

For those interested, this topic is covered in great detail in the articles and info here:

optimal cue weight resource page

Enjoy,
Dave

 

[ENGLISH!]

Minor nit (it's a major nit, but only if we're picking nits)...

acceleration does not equal velocity squared, and F does not equal mv^2

However, if we look at the energy, then kinetic energy = 1/2 (mv^2)


Since energy is conserved, Nature tends to balance it out. Given a constant energy in, energy out should be about the same.

I normally like to consider things like:

energy loss or energy transfer efficiency (favors heavy cues)
inertia and the ability to get to speed (favors lighter cues?
Breakers breaking style (arm breakers favor heavy vs wrist breakers favor light???)

Freddie

Yeah Freedie,

That is why I said 'another way to look at it'.

I was just trying to explain what single unit in change would have the most effect.

But an ounce compared to grams & MPH vs ft/sec. is another issue with that 'explanation'.

Best to Ya,
Rick

 

[measureman]

Most of the physics "analysis" in this thread is irrelevant (or just downright incorrect).

Agreed. There are many factors (especially physiology) that determine the optimal break cue weight for a specific individual.

For those interested, this topic is covered in great detail in the articles and info here:

optimal cue weight resource page

Enjoy,
Dave

I did an extremely unscientific seat of the pants with a little high tech help experiment called "Measuremans great Break Cue Experiment".
With the help of a break cue app on my cell phone I tried a number of breaks with my break cue at its normal weight of 19oz then I removed the 3 oz weight bolt and for those of you in Loma Linda that makes the cue 16oz.
I saw a gain of about 1 MPH with the lighter weight.
I have no idea if 1 MPH changes the break very much. But the lighter weight just feels better to me.

 

[dr_dave]

I did an extremely unscientific seat of the pants with a little high tech help experiment called "Measuremans great Break Cue Experiment".
With the help of a break cue app on my cell phone I tried a number of breaks with my break cue at its normal weight of 19oz then I removed the 3 oz weight bolt and for those of you in Loma Linda that makes the cue 16oz.
I saw a gain of about 1 MPH with the lighter weight.
I have no idea if 1 MPH changes the break very much. But the lighter weight just feels better to me.

That's the best way to figure out what is best for a specific individual. Try different weights to see what feels and works best. If a weight change doesn't result in much change in break effectiveness (which is actually fairly common), then just use what "feels" best.

Regards,
Dave

 

[GoldCrown]

That's the best way to figure out what is best for a specific individual. Try different weights
Regards,
Dave

You just broke the code. I'm going to look for a Breaker with adjustable weights.

 

[GoldCrown]

See what happens when you buy a new case?

You need to buy cues to fill it up

The real question is not what break cue you should buy...it should be will you have to sneak it in the back door to avoid the wifey. ]

Well to be honest. I will order it in parts and assemble it in the basement. The pieces will come one at a time. Also might try a 314-2 Z for the fun of it on an existing Predator.
Might have to say I think they shipped it to the wrong person and will return it eventually when I get around to it.
However I need your support... No Blackmail please.

 

[mattb]

Break cues

I have been fortunate to try or own numerous break cues over the years. Here are a few of my thoughts.

On the more expensive side I have owned a few Gilbert J/B cues and they flat out do everything well. Break, jump or play, they are one of the best utility cues on the market.

Samsara J/B cues break as good as any breaker out there, bar none. With that said, they also jump very well. I know you aren't looking for that but just throwing it in.

Mezz breakers are also fantastic cues to break with.

If I played more 9 or 10 ball, I would still own a Samsara. But, like most, i play more 1 pocket and have settled in with an 80$ J and J break cue. Does it break as good as the more expensive cues I mentioned? Heck no, not even close.

 

[GoldCrown]

If I played more 9 or 10 ball, I would still own a Samsara. But, like most, i play more 1 pocket and have settled in with an 80$ J and J break cue. Does it break as good as the more expensive cues I mentioned? Heck no, not even close.

I do not play much 9b but want a dedicated breaker. Cue Meteor or Bullet looks real good.
Yes indeedie for 1P