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wayne said:
Well put, I was thinking the same thing, her logic didn't hold up and the generalization of "gambling is a disease" wouldn't make sense to anyone who gambles but doesn't have a "disease". I don't think it is a question of semantics more an illogical statement unless it is made more specific to cover those that are compulsive like "alcoholics". Something like "alcoholism is to drinking" as "__________ is to gambling".

Wayne


I hope you guys are not too serious about this topic;)

You know the definition of alcohol problem? That starts when you run out of alcohol. And with that same logic you have a gambling problem when you run out of cash.
 
pete-biker said:
I hope you guys are not too serious about this topic;)

You know the definition of alcohol problem? That starts when you run out of alcohol. And with that same logic you have a gambling problem when you run out of cash.

Very funny Pete, I bet....err...on second thoughts!

Couldnt agree more Wayne.
 
I’ve seen casino, sports, pool gambling mentioned on this thread. I owned a horse in NY and many Racing Greyhounds across the country. Talk about losers…horse and dog betters have to be up there in the worst category. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
…horse and dog betters have to be up there in the worst category. Johnnyt

That's because they can get out their "Daily Racing Form", their "Clocker Dan" card, calculate the odds, "get a tip", and do various other useless behaviors that convince them it isn't gambling, they know what they're doing. All those other losers are gamblers.
Same with all these newbie card players who read a book and convince themselves they're Doyle Brunson, not a gambler.
 
When I worked at Bally's in Vegas there was a coworker that had a system that monitored the stats of horses and jockeys and there performances in the past...it also monitored things right up to the start of the race like wether the horse took a dump walking to the starting line...sometimes that would sway how he bet....this was entirely a hobby to him but he did make a nice side income from it and he never got out of control with betting...
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TheOne said:
Nah its not quite as funny as the bun fight thread, that made my day! ;)

You said "gambling is a disease" which I take offense too because I, like many people "gamble" and don't consider it a disease. But to follow your own logic you would have to say "drinking is a disease", and no I don't agree with that either.

I've stopped drinking heaps of times hehe :D

I too gamble, and I certainly don't consider it a disease. In fact, I don't consider addictive gambling or alcoholism diseases either. Both are behavioral choices that a person makes. You don't just 'become' addicted to booze or gambling, it happens over time, and it happens because you choose to overindulge in those two activities and get hooked. Part of the dependence is physiological, as in maybe cigarettes, alcohol or drugs, but it became that way only as a result of behavior.

The catchphrase, 'addiction is a disease' came about through 12-step type programs trying to make addicts feel less responsible for their addictions, and therefore make it easier for them to kick their respective habits. However, it doesn't change the fact that there is no 'cure' for the condition. It started with a behavioral choice and it can only be stopped the same way.
 
gromulan said:
I too gamble, and I certainly don't consider it a disease. In fact, I don't consider addictive gambling or alcoholism diseases either. Both are behavioral choices that a person makes. You don't just 'become' addicted to booze or gambling, it happens over time, and it happens because you choose to overindulge in those two activities and get hooked. Part of the dependence is physiological, as in maybe cigarettes, alcohol or drugs, but it became that way only as a result of behavior.

The catchphrase, 'addiction is a disease' came about through 12-step type programs trying to make addicts feel less responsible for their addictions, and therefore make it easier for them to kick their respective habits. However, it doesn't change the fact that there is no 'cure' for the condition. It started with a behavioral choice and it can only be stopped the same way.

gromulan,
Well put. I agree 110%. Far too many people who try to blame someone or something else (a "disease") for their own lack poor decisions.
 
If you are a gambler, it doesn't mean you have a disease. If you drink beer a few times a week, it doesn't mean you have a disease.

If you gamble everything you have, every day, and even when you lose, you go back for more, then you have a disease.

If you drink three six packs of beer every day, and are drunk every day, all day, then you have a disease.

I gamble too, but I didn't take offense to Jam's post, because I know what she is talking about. If you do it in excess, so that it starts to destroy your life, hell yes it's a disease.
 
Jimmy M. said:
Where does he play? ;)

Believe it or not, this guy is so dull that even if he doesn't know you, he'll play you straight up and lose his ass off. The only problem is, that he is broke so often that he is known for firing air-barrels. The last I heard, a group of people really want to give him the beating of his life, after he stiffed someone for a measly $200, but that was his second time firing an air barrel at the same group. I think he is in hiding, but I have heard he pops up at poolhalls around Socal every now and then. He stays away from poolhalls with known players, he likes to go to lesser known ones and hustle teenagers.
 
Lesson learned

Okay, gambling's bad. Are drinking and smoking still okay? Or, is this one of those kind of sites.
 
gromulan said:
I too gamble, and I certainly don't consider it a disease. In fact, I don't consider addictive gambling or alcoholism diseases either. Both are behavioral choices that a person makes. You don't just 'become' addicted to booze or gambling,
Actually, some people do "just 'become addicted to booze or gambling".
Some people have addictive personallities and it extremely simple for them to become addicted to a number of things.
Concerning alcohol and drugs, there are some physical aspects to those addictions. Some people are predisposed to become addicted, unless they are extemely careful. For example, the potential for alcohol addiction can be inherited from your parents. It also doesn't take them a very long time to form those addictions.
 
Rich R. said:
Actually, some people do "just 'become addicted to booze or gambling".
Some people have addictive personallities and it extremely simple for them to become addicted to a number of things.
Concerning alcohol and drugs, there are some physical aspects to those addictions. Some people are predisposed to become addicted, unless they are extemely careful. For example, the potential for alcohol addiction can be inherited from your parents. It also doesn't take them a very long time to form those addictions.

Penn and Teller said it best, that's Bullshit!
 
gromulan said:
Penn and Teller said it best, that's Bullshit!
Penn and Teller are great magicians, but they are not doctors or scientists of any kind.

BTW, did they actually say "Bullshit" concerning this particular point?
I think not.
Also, IIRC, Penn does not drink alcohol. I wonder why?
 
I don't think it's the actual act of gambling that motivates most, it may be the adrenaline it brings.
 
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