More Squirt / Deflection on right english than left english with standard aiming

[CJ Wiley]

side spin that should be avoided.

I do avoid english when it's not needed. But sometimes, I encounter situations where i need to draw with english especially if the balls are on the other ends of the table near the short rail.

I watch the pros play, everyday. I admire how consistent they are . i will reach that one day . thanks bro

Yes, draw and follow are essential, it's the side spin that should be avoided.

 

[kwoshunli]

I'm not clear whether your issue is strictly with right english specifically or inside english in relation to the shot. In your example, you said on a cut to the right you have a problem using right (inside) english. If cutting to the left, do you then miss using left english, or still only with right?

If it's always with right, I would agree with others that most likely is a perception issue. If it's actually when using inside in relation to the cut, I might have an answer for you.

When using outside english, we tend to pivot our cue more naturally then when using inside. So often we end up utilizing back hand english without really realizing it and still making the ball. If you are not consciously adjusting for the effect of english (squirt, curve, etc.), you might be getting lucky when using outside because of that pivot, but when using inside you might be making more of a parallel movement which will cause more squirt/deflection. Just a thought, I've seen that before, could be way off, hard to tell without more info.

Scott

Scott, thanks for your input.

I did this

half ball to the left

center cue ball = accurate
left english = makes the ball (comfortable using left english)
right english = missed (the cue ball deflects a lot, i can't feel the shot)

half ball to the right

center cue ball = accurate
left english = makes the ball
right english - missed (the cue ball deflects a lot, i can't feel the shot)

Also,

left english - stroke is straight a bit to the left. and on my back hand, i can feel that the CB goes STRAIGHT the line of aim.
right english - if i stroke the same way, the CB deflects a lot. and on my back hand, i can feel that the CB goes really OFF the line of aim.

 

[kwoshunli]

Yes, draw and follow are essential, it's the side spin that should be avoided.

Sometimes, when there is angle, we cannot depend on draw and follow only, we have to use spin to maneuver CB using the cushions. THought this only happens fewer times than most shots, but when i encounter a situation where i MUST use Right hand english, that usually where i end my run.

 

[CJ Wiley]

not only more accurate, it also gives you MORE flexibility with the cue ball.

Sometimes, when there is angle, we cannot depend on draw and follow only, we have to use spin to maneuver CB using the cushions. THought this only happens fewer times than most shots, but when i encounter a situation where i MUST use Right hand english, that usually where i end my run.

You don't require right or left english in these situations. You need to learn to hit all three parts of the pocket and stay away from spin, and use deflection. This is not only more accurate, it also gives you MORE flexibility with the cue ball. You can see this done with any champion player, especially on very tight equipment.

 

[kwoshunli]

You don't require right or left english in these situations. You need to learn to hit all three parts of the pocket and stay away from spin, and use deflection. This is not only more accurate, it also gives you MORE flexibility with the cue ball. You can see this done with any champion player, especially on very tight equipment.

bro, can you enlighten me? can you provide examples?

I would love to learn what you mentioned.

 

[CJ Wiley]

a 90 minute video on the subject

bro, can you enlighten me? can you provide examples?

I would love to learn what you mentioned.

Sure, I just made a 90 minute video on the subject that's making a lot of pool players very happy and will be great for their cash flow if they keep working with the TOI.:wink:

You can read more here - http://www.cjwileybilliards.com/testimonials.html

and at my web site: www.cjwiley.com

Enjoy, and Play Well.

CJ Wiley

 

[kwoshunli]

I had a similar problem, but with the opposite spin. I would hit shots with left english poorly and miss easy shots. It popped up randomly and stayed there after a while. Eventually my game went down hill and I started compensating with a bad stroke to get left spin.

I'm right handed and right eye dominant. When the cue is slightly under my right eye, the game is easy. Occasionally, I turn my head and my left eye moves into the forefront of my aiming. The picture looks good, but I miss badly. I found that when I applied left english to the cue ball, I turned my head slightly and my head was not over the cue stick correctly.

It's a challenge to set up straight when you are used to doing a bad habit you didn't realize you had! Check your head position and eye alignment for spin both ways. If your stroke is straight, your alignment is obviously off. You have to force yourself to align for right and left english the same way, every time.

I set up a zillion shots with left spin and relearned where to hit the object ball. It seems I had forgotten where the contact points were because of my bad habit. After months of doing it, my brain learned how to miss because I wasn't seeing the shot right.

Life was good after I identified my subtle, yet frustrating flaw. I relearned left spin and where to aim. Now, a solid PSR keeps the yips manageable and old bad habits from returning.

Best,
Mike

Mike,

how do we know which eye we are dominant? i tried shooting a straight shot, aiming at the left edge of CB and OB- i'm comfortable. I do the same on the other eye. it's the same level of comfort.

 

[kwoshunli]

Sure, I just made a 90 minute video on the subject that's making a lot of pool players very happy and will be great for their cash flow if they keep working with the TOI.:wink:

You can read more here - http://www.cjwileybilliards.com/testimonials.html

and at my web site: www.cjwiley.com

Enjoy, and Play Well.

CJ Wiley

Bro, i don't really have much money. My mom has stage 4 cancer. my family is suffering. I only play to enjoy. But as much as i wanna purchase those videos, if only i could, i would. but really, i don't have much.

I appreciate your help. thanks

 

[CJ Wiley]

The info. is free on this forum

Bro, i don't really have much money. My mom has stage 4 cancer. my family is suffering. I only play to enjoy. But as much as i wanna purchase those videos, if only i could, i would. but really, i don't have much.

I appreciate your help. thanks

The info. is free....just go back starting with #35 and read through the Aiming Section thread with John S. and Correy Deuel, it's just below this one on this same forum. I've made over a thousand posts on the subject over the last 6 months.

Going to my web site or Face book page is free and you can see some videos as well. https://www.facebook.com/CJ.WILEY7

 

[kwoshunli]

The info. is free....just go back starting with #35 and read through the Aiming Section thread with John S. and Correy Deuel, it's just below this one on this same forum. I've made over a thousand posts on the subject over the last 6 months.

Going to my web site or Face book page is free and you can see some videos as well. https://www.facebook.com/CJ.WILEY7

THank you very much !!!! I will when i get my free time! :thumbup:

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Sounds like you angle your cue differently with left english versus right.

Your cue's angle of attack is greater with left english than right. If you have a friend take a pic of you with left and right english head on, you'll see it's prob angled differently. This is part technique related and prob part dominant eye related.

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[kwoshunli]

Sounds like you angle your cue differently with left english versus right.

Your cue's angle of attack is greater with left english than right. If you have a friend take a pic of you with left and right english head on, you'll see it's prob angled differently. This is part technique related and prob part dominant eye related.

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I perfectly recognize that.. That's why I'm asking how to fix it.. I don't think its because of my aim, because I can feel on my back hand that when I use right English, my cue just don't feel as solid and comfortable as with left English..

 

[Mikjary]

Figure out where your head position is for each english. If your mechanics are good, but you can't make the shot equally well from both sides, you are seeing the shot differently each time.

You are using different alignments and looking at the shot from two different head positions. I used to do that. It's hard to notice until you change your setup and actually see the shot correctly.

I know when I'm out of line even though the shot looks good. Alarm bells go off quietly and tell me not to be fooled by what I think I see. I don't have as much confidence and get up to look at it, again. When I get back down I know I have my head in the right position.

Best,
Mike

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I perfectly recognize that.. That's why I'm asking how to fix it.. I don't think its because of my aim, because I can feel on my back hand that when I use right English, my cue just don't feel as solid and comfortable as with left English..

If you address the CB with center, pivot your tip to your english position. Always address with center ball and pivot. When you randomly bring your tip to its english position, that's when you have random cue angles.

So, that's how you fix it. Be structured and systematic until you fix your setup problem. Search Youtube for "Colin Colenso backhand english" for a nice tutorial.

If you can't align properly to make a ball with center english, you have far worse issues than english itself.

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[kwoshunli]

If you address the CB with center, pivot your tip to your english position. Always address with center ball and pivot. When you randomly bring your tip to its english position, that's when you have random cue angles.

So, that's how you fix it. Be structured and systematic until you fix your setup problem. Search Youtube for "Colin Colenso backhand english" for a nice tutorial.

If you can't align properly to make a ball with center english, you have far worse issues than english itself.

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Yes i do this.
-center cue ball
-pivot 1 tip of left english, shoot, makes a shot 8/10 times

-center cue ball
-pivot 1 tip of right english, shoot, makes a shot 5/10 times

Note that i use the same amount and way of stroke for each side.

I feel the shot with left english, i deliver a very good control. But with right english, it seems that my back hand gets lousy when i use right english. 50% of the shots, i feel the shoot, 50% i don't, and when i don't it squirts a lot.

So now, i'm thinking that it's my grip that is to blame.

 

[kwoshunli]

yesterday while i was shooting straight balls (for experiment purposes)

LEFT EYE AIMING

1 tip left english makes the ball
1 tip right english, CB squirts to the left, OB goes to the right

RIGHT EYE AIMING

1 tip left english makes the ball
1 tip right english, CB squirts to the left, OB goes to the right

In short, no matter which eye i use, even i use ambiocular aiming (using 2 eyes - my normal aiming), i still have the same results

Note that i use the same tip offset, the same stroke, the same everything.

The difference i have notices is,
left english - i can control the CB straight to where i aim,
right english - i don't get how to control CB, sometimes it goes to the right aiming line, sometimes it squirts to the left.

Help.

 

[vapoolplayer]

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[ENGLISH!]

Yes i do this.
-center cue ball
-pivot 1 tip of left english, shoot, makes a shot 8/10 times

-center cue ball
-pivot 1 tip of right english, shoot, makes a shot 5/10 times

Note that i use the same amount and way of stroke for each side.

I feel the shot with left english, i deliver a very good control. But with right english, it seems that my back hand gets lousy when i use right english. 50% of the shots, i feel the shoot, 50% i don't, and when i don't it squirts a lot.

So now, i'm thinking that it's my grip that is to blame.

Obviously this is just a guess based upon another type shot that I had problems with until I figured it out,

I thnik you might be 'jamming' up your stroke when you pivot for the right english. The butt end of the cue comes closer to your body & I would bet that your stroke is different even if you think it is the same.

The solution to my problem shot was that I had to turn my body clockwise just a bit. If you can, try pivoting your body with the cue. It would be similiar to a pivot/sweep with CTE. In other words, keep the cue in the same relation to your body as it would normally be.

You might say well why then can I do the left english without a problem. Well it might be kind of like golf. It' so much easier for most people to fade or slice the ball right to left than it is for them to hit a draw from right to left.

Just a bite of food for thought. I hope it helps.

Best Regards,

 

[kwoshunli]

Obviously this is just a guess based upon another type shot that I had problems with until I figured it out,

I thnik you might be 'jamming' up your stroke when you pivot for the right english. The butt end of the cue comes closer to your body & I would bet that your stroke is different even if you think it is the same.

The solution to my problem shot was that I had to turn my body clockwise just a bit. If you can, try pivoting your body with the cue. It would be similiar to a pivot/sweep with CTE. In other words, keep the cue in the same relation to your body as it would normally be.

You might say well why then can I do the left english without a problem. Well it might be kind of like golf. It' so much easier for most people to fade or slice the ball right to left than it is for them to hit a draw from right to left.

Just a bite of food for thought. I hope it helps.

Best Regards,

I may have to agree that when I use right English, the butt is closer to my body which could mess up my stroke..

With ur suggestion to pivot the whole body keeps the cue away from my body but I have to adjust my head to compensate for the pivoted body..

Thank you guys, ill post update soon

 

[kwoshunli]

You mentioned jamming the cue.. I would agree.. Because I've noticed that my stroke when using left English is comfortable and compact.. But with right English sometimes its not.. It could be an issue of unintentional swooping.. But I'm doing my best to not swoop it..