More than a 2 way shot in 9ball?

PGHteacher

PGHteacher

John Fischer
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Has anyone here ever had a 2 way+ shot as in a 3way?, 4way? I am not talking about a blasting of the balls and hoping something goes in I am talking about a controlled shot in which you know where all the balls are going but there are more than 2 possibilities. I know this may be a little tough for some of you without a "blast" of the balls but I am sure there are some out there that play lots of 14.1 where this actually comes up "every once in a while". I play lots of 14.1 so I look over the balls and their exact paths really closely; your thoughts AZers?
 
Sure. A three-way shot could include a potential make with a potential cluster separation if you miss, along with a guaranteed safety.

Aaron
 
Many times, and I would hope that most of us on this forum have. I've banked the one while playing a billiard on the nine and leaving a safety if I miss the one but automatic position on the two if the one falls. Three-way shot.
 
Humm 2 that answerd this question, I see there are only a few who see/try these shots/possiblities? I would have thought it would be a few more people that see them. Yea this is a bump also but also a question.
 
I've never shot it but we can imagine a shot in which:
a bank can go into the first pocket
it might bank twice to the second pocket (extension to 3 is improbable)
there is another ball by the first and/or second pocket that might be pocketed
the cue ball breaks up a cluster
one ball in the cluster is the nine which might go in
the cue ball is left behind the part of the cluster for a safe
the next object ball was in the cluster and you get shape on it

Some of the combined outcomes are bad, such as if the first ball knocks in the third option and you get the safe behind the cluster you break.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I've never shot it but we can imagine a shot in which:
a bank can go into the first pocket
it might bank twice to the second pocket (extension to 3 is improbable)
there is another ball by the first and/or second pocket that might be pocketed
the cue ball breaks up a cluster
one ball in the cluster is the nine which might go in
the cue ball is left behind the part of the cluster for a safe
the next object ball was in the cluster and you get shape on it

Some of the combined outcomes are bad, such as if the first ball knocks in the third option and you get the safe behind the cluster you break.
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Is this the legendary 7-WAY shot I've never heard of, but now that I have, I have to look for it on the table? AMAZING!!:eek:
 
It's these shots, with 2 or more possibilities, that make some of the people I play think I don't know what the hell I'm doing. My skill and execution leaves a lot to be desired, but I think I have a pretty good collection of knowledge from books, dvds, etc. Billiards and caroms are usually involved in these "multiple outcome" shots for me, like someone said above. These shots often look like I just knock the hell out of the object ball and cross my fingers. An example that comes to mind: I had a pretty steep back-cut on the 1 ball into a big sloppy Valley corner pocket that was still semi-low percentage. The 5 and 9 were lined up frozen and dead into the side pocket, and there was a clusterf*ck of balls on the same side of the table at the opposite end from the 1. I went for the 1 ball, knowing that the thin cut and spin would either make the 5/9 combo or move past it into the cluster and leave me decent on the next ball while leaving a difficult/no shot on the 1 if I failed to make it.
1.) I could make the 1 and pocket the 9
2.) I could make the 1 and get on the next ball if I didn't hit the 5/9
3.) I could miss the 1 and pocket the 9
4.) I could miss the 1 and leave a bad/no shot on the 1.

Luckily, option 3 panned out :)

And it looked like I sh*t in the 9, further irritating my hapless opponent :)
 
Bob Jewett said:
I've never shot it but we can imagine a shot in which:
a bank can go into the first pocket
it might bank twice to the second pocket (extension to 3 is improbable)
there is another ball by the first and/or second pocket that might be pocketed
the cue ball breaks up a cluster
one ball in the cluster is the nine which might go in
the cue ball is left behind the part of the cluster for a safe
the next object ball was in the cluster and you get shape on it

Some of the combined outcomes are bad, such as if the first ball knocks in the third option and you get the safe behind the cluster you break.
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7way huh; nice but back to the question 3way shots ever come up on you? They come up on me about twice a year, give or take. And I have some memory of some over that like 4.
 
DallasHopps said:
It's these shots, with 2 or more possibilities, that make some of the people I play think I don't know what the hell I'm doing. My skill and execution leaves a lot to be desired, but I think I have a pretty good collection of knowledge from books, dvds, etc. Billiards and caroms are usually involved in these "multiple outcome" shots for me, like someone said above. These shots often look like I just knock the hell out of the object ball and cross my fingers. An example that comes to mind: I had a pretty steep back-cut on the 1 ball into a big sloppy Valley corner pocket that was still semi-low percentage. The 5 and 9 were lined up frozen and dead into the side pocket, and there was a clusterf*ck of balls on the same side of the table at the opposite end from the 1. I went for the 1 ball, knowing that the thin cut and spin would either make the 5/9 combo or move past it into the cluster and leave me decent on the next ball while leaving a difficult/no shot on the 1 if I failed to make it.
1.) I could make the 1 and pocket the 9
2.) I could make the 1 and get on the next ball if I didn't hit the 5/9
3.) I could miss the 1 and pocket the 9
4.) I could miss the 1 and leave a bad/no shot on the 1.

Luckily, option 3 panned out :)

And it looked like I sh*t in the 9, further irritating my hapless opponent :)
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^^^This is the kind of thing I am talking about; happens to me with some frequency.
 
PGHteacher said:
Humm 2 that answerd this question, I see there are only a few who see/try these shots/possiblities? I would have thought it would be a few more people that see them. Yea this is a bump also but also a question.
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Okay, Teach...you probably know I won't let this one go.....
...the Wei table would be nice but it's getting tougher to handle.

A shot I've actually played under heat...

The 1-ball is one foot from the end rail, center of table.
The cue-ball is two feet from the other end rail, center of table.
The side rail on the left of the 1-ball is blocked by three balls, all less than
a ball's width apart, about one diamond from the corner ( the ball closest
to the rail is blocking a one-rail hit)
The 2-ball is on the end rail by the cue-ball.
The 9-ball is one diamond from the corner ( to the left of the cue-ball )
...very close to the rail

So, I played the 1-ball into the left hand corner with maxi right english.

ONE-If I hang it, I get a snooker. (I made it )

TWO-The cue-ball is catching the second rail and is coming towards the
9-ball ( I made the 9-ball )

THREE- If I made the 1-ball only, I got position on the 2-ball.

Call-shot with the option is the rule I hate most....you would have to play
the shot above 'snooker only'.
I call 'call shot with the option' the Pol Pot rule....if you play a smart or
imaginative shot, you will be dealt with severely.
 
i had this shot come up the other day
the 2 and and nine ball were situated in a way that i could bank the 2 cross side 1 rail
carom into the 9 and possibly make it in the corner
and there was a cluster to play safe with the cue after it caromed into the 9 if i missed the 2 or 9
dont know if you consider that a 2 or 3 way shot
 
Yes.A controlled combo on the 9 with a built in carom of the OB and playing safe behind the next OB.Or playing safe on the OB by sending it off the 9 with a good chance to make the 9.

Not sure if this is what you mean.I never got the hang of 14:1 to the point where I can see strategies.
 
smoooothstroke said:
Yes.A controlled combo on the 9 with a built in carom of the OB and playing safe behind the next OB.Or playing safe on the OB by sending it off the 9 with a good chance to make the 9.

Not sure if this is what you mean.I never got the hang of 14:1 to the point where I can see strategies.
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Either of those would be 2 way shots there guy; I am looking for 3 or 4way, look at Bob's answer there that's a 7way. Just something to think about when you are looking deeply into the possibilities of a shot. They are hard to see for some especially of cluster shots (like the ones that come up in 14.1) are not a "steady diet" of yours.
 
PGHteacher said:
Either of those would be 2 way shots there guy; I am looking for 3 or 4way, look at Bob's answer there that's a 7way. Just something to think about when you are looking deeply into the possibilities of a shot. They are hard to see for some especially of cluster shots (like the ones that come up in 14.1) are not a "steady diet" of yours.
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Thank you there pal.
 
You're not going to find a whole lot of scenarios that involve more than 3 options and I'll explain why. Typically, a multi-option shot involves three different kinds of shots all wrapped-up into one. One is often defense. If you fail to pocket anything, you'll leave your opponent safe. The second is often offense. If you pocket the low-ball, you'll have position on the next. The third is often a shot on the 9.

You can replace the defense portion with another mid-ball shot like, you can carom and combo while playing the 9. You can even expand it further if the balls are laying right. The key is, only use defense in a multi-way shot so long as none of those ways leaves you safe.

Shots like these come up all the time. It's primary reason why I don't like call-shot 9ball.
 
It's not uncommon in one pocket to play the cue ball and two or three object balls to specific locations, although not necessarily into pockets.

pj
chgo
 
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