More Tip Position Discussion

Do you think that knowing where you are actually hitting it and comparing it to where you want to will help you develop the skill to be more accurate? Would a rifleman not bother looking at his target paper if he can’t hit a bullseye every time?
No, I would assume that if I hit where I want to and get the reaction I expect that I could move on to something else. My intent is never to figure out what happens if I hit it wrong. That's a different shot altogether.
 
The popular icue training ball and all the coaching around it suggests this is exactly what many players find helpful.

I agree. They can be helpful. Books, training aids, and competent instructors are fine and can speed up the learning process by increasing your knowledge, but practice is the key. An instructor can tell me to hit the cue ball below center to get it to draw, but I can only learn a controlled draw shot by shooting it a thousand times.
 
Ahhh. Yes, this product is not a replacement for practicing. It is something to use while you practice to make your practice session have more value, maybe to get more out of it.

Where did you get that idea and how can I change my wording to better explain that?
 
Here is a different shot I shot 15 times using the app. As you can see from the yellow dots, this peticular shot I hit consistently. Is this more of what you mean?
 

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Here is a different shot I shot 15 times using the app. As you can see from the yellow dots, this peticular shot I hit consistently. Is this more of what you mean?

I’d love to have that for straight cueing drills, like hitting the cb from the foot spot and having the ball go back and forth to return to your tip.
 
Geez, how did all the champions of today and especially the past ever figure it out? How did they ever learn without all the learning/teaching/practicing gizmos on the market today? To each his own but is any of this stuff really necessary?
 
More slowly. Informed practice is faster/better.

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All you MIGHT need is decent video of you playing. Works fine in golf and other games/sports. Golf has gone batshit crazy over hi-tech teaching(pressure plates, launch monitors, etc) and it hasn't lowered the avg. player's handicap one stroke. Do i really need a device to tell me i hit the CB poorly? I can tell pretty quik when that occurs believe me. Whatever floats ur boat, i just don't see the need for it.
 
I don’t think you get the point of the thread? You may be reacting without reading.

So I assume the point is that if it works would people be interested in buying it as an aid to improve. My opinion, in simple terms, is it probably won't do much to help the type of person who would buy it due to a lack of knowledge in other aspects of the game.

The flip side is that the people who do possess that knowledge won't buy it because they know where they hit the CB due to that knowledge.
 
knowing you are doing it wrong
does not necessarily teach you how to do it right
thats why digicue and cue-md have not helped me very much
i dont feel what they say i am doing
makes it hard to correct
observing what the cue ball does has told me alot about my mis hits
digicue and cue-md have confirmed my improvement by showing the spread of my imperfection was less
 
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So I assume the point is that if it works would people be interested in buying it as an aid to improve. My opinion, in simple terms, is it probably won't do much to help the type of person who would buy it due to a lack of knowledge in other aspects of the game.

The flip side is that the people who do possess that knowledge won't buy it because they know where they hit the CB due to that knowledge.
Thank you for actually answering the question! I appreciate your feedback.
 
All you MIGHT need is decent video of you playing. Works fine in golf and other games/sports. Golf has gone batshit crazy over hi-tech teaching(pressure plates, launch monitors, etc) and it hasn't lowered the avg. player's handicap one stroke. Do i really need a device to tell me i hit the CB poorly? I can tell pretty quik when that occurs believe me. Whatever floats ur boat, i just don't see the need for it.
I will say again, of course this is not something that you need. You don't need any training tool, or low deflection shaft, or an expensive table with perfect pockets, and special chalk, or a car, or a house, or a family or your left arm, etc.

The question is, if you already have a practice routine, will this product add value to your routine? Some people say yes, some people say no. Some don't care where they hit the cue ball as long as they get a good outcome (results-based players) and some like to know the details (process-based players). Which category do you put yourself?

-- Also, be careful not to fall into the mentality of "others and myself have struggled hard to achieve a goal, and how dare anybody else have an easier time getting there than us." This is human nature.
 
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ye this def has a market as people just love their gadgets that give them precise info.

That said, garczar is right that the balls give u enough feedback and let u know how u mishit the shot. bbb makes a good point about the gadgets too....they give u info and tell u what happened. they can confirm progress. but they dont speed up progress themselves because being aware of a mishit is not the same as fixing it. it is just the first step...and one that the balls reveal just fine without a digital readout of exact specs of the mishit.

so ye, i def wouldnt get this tool, but i imagine yhere would be no shortage of people who would line up to buy it.
 
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I will say again, of course this is not something that you need. You don't need any training tool, or low deflection shaft, or an expensive table with perfect pockets, and special chalk, or a car, or a house, or a family or your left arm, etc.

The question is, if you already have a practice routine, will this product add value to your routine? Some people say yes, some people say no. Some don't care where they hit the cue ball as long as they get a good outcome (results-based players) and some like to know the details (process-based players). Which category do you put yourself?

-- Also, be careful not to fall into the mentality of "others and myself have struggled hard to achieve a goal, and how dare anybody else have an easier time getting there than us." This is human nature.
Are you the inventor of DigiCue and DigiCue BLUE?
 
Well, that answers a lot. You made the statement in your last entry 'Some don't care where they hit the cue ball as long as they get a good outcome.' If you were an acomplished pool player, you wouldn't have said that. Every good player knows that 'position' is the 'name of the game', and playing good position can only be accomplished by cue ball control, and that means hitting the cue ball precisely in the right place. If players don't care 'where they hit the cue ball', they might as well quit playing and spend their money on lottery tickets.
 
Well, that answers a lot. You made the statement in your last entry 'Some don't care where they hit the cue ball as long as they get a good outcome.' If you were an acomplished pool player, you wouldn't have said that. Every good player knows that 'position' is the 'name of the game', and playing good position can only be accomplished by cue ball control, and that means hitting the cue ball precisely in the right place. If players don't care 'where they hit the cue ball', they might as well quit playing and spend their money on lottery tickets.
Oh my lord.

Here is a video of my kick starter video to OB Cues almost ten years ago, where in the end I run a rack of rotation on the first take.

Secondly, my product supports awareness of tip location.

Thirdly, this is not about me or my ability, your attempt at being insulting failed, and I no longer value your opinion. Enjoy your cat.
 
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