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[Mitchxout]

Yes, I drank the TOI Koolaid, lol. My stroke sometimes feels like an octopus falling out of a tree, Centerball oftentimes results with left spin, (I'm lefthanded, btw).

However, with TOI the cueball reacts perfectly nearly everytime. This is just a hint of inside, no big swooping or whatnot. It works and I don't know why, but my stroke seems to straighten itself out when I use it.

Actually, it might be better to not know why....

 

[CJ Wiley]

just think "TOI/ACCELERATE!!!" - trying to "figure out" TOI is risky

Yes, it's actually better to just do TOI naturally, and do the suggested 3 hours of training (after watching the video). Those of you that have "tried to figure it out" have been left behind and may not easily reap the rewards as thousands of others have.

I spend many hours a week teaching, demonstrating and utilizing the TOI, however, when I'm playing I have to "empty my mind" and just think "TOI - ACCELERATE!!!" - these are my primary thoughts when playing a match, or big gambling session.

Yes, I drank the TOI Koolaid, lol. My stroke sometimes feels like an octopus falling out of a tree, Centerball oftentimes results with left spin, (I'm lefthanded, btw).

However, with TOI the cueball reacts perfectly nearly everytime. This is just a hint of inside, no big swooping or whatnot. It works and I don't know why, but my stroke seems to straighten itself out when I use it.

Actually, it might be better to not know why....

 

[8pack]

Yes, I drank the TOI Koolaid, lol. My stroke sometimes feels like an octopus falling out of a tree, Centerball oftentimes results with left spin, (I'm lefthanded, btw).

However, with TOI the cueball reacts perfectly nearly everytime. This is just a hint of inside, no big swooping or whatnot. It works and I don't know why, but my stroke seems to straighten itself out when I use it.

Actually, it might be better to not know why....

Don't forget about center cb.

I find it interesting that so many kinda jump ship on the natural way of striking the cb.
While you have increased your knowledge of outside with toi you have not really cemented anything in your play unless you play a lot. Shafts play different ,cb react different, there's a lot to consider .

Lay off playing for awhile and you'll lose a lot of that feel that going outside needs to be accurate. I understand it makes sense with many shots but you've added kind of a dangerous element to the shot unless you play all the time.(the element is not needed all the time))

When using center cb you have nothing really to worry about ,just make the ball.(hit the right spot).

Going outside on either side.....not only do you have to guess the right spot ,but also hit the correct speed.

Whats easier???

Nothing trumps a straight stroke,not even toi.

Just my opinion.

Good luck with your Game.

 

[CJ Wiley]

my road partner jokingly said "center is for suckers"

Center ball is good is you're "slow rolling" balls, or shooting "straight in" shots....using it in your regular game is not wise.....as my road partner jokingly said "center is for suckers"......and there's many reasons this is true at the higher levels. For beginners I would recommend using center, and to quickly develop a stroke that can produce "movement" to the line of the shot......if anyone wants advice on how to strengthen their stroke I'll be happy to give some inside secrets I learned from various sources.

Don't forget about center cb.

I find it interesting that so many kinda jump ship on the natural way a striking the cb.
While you have increased your knowledge of outside with toi you have not really cemented anything in your play unless you play a lot. Shafts play different ,cb react different, there's a lot to consider .

Lay off playing for awhile and you'll lose a lot of that feel that going outside needs to be accurate. I understand it makes sense with many shots but you've added kinda of a dangerous element to the shot unless you play all the time.(the element is not needed all the time))

When using center cb you have nothing really to worry about ,just make the ball.(hit the right spot).

Going outside on either side.....not only do you have to guess the right spot ,but also hit the correct speed.

Whats easier???

Nothing trumps a straight stroke,not even toi.

Just my opinion.

Good luck with your Game.

 

[duckie]

Yes, I drank the TOI Koolaid, lol. My stroke sometimes feels like an octopus falling out of a tree, Centerball oftentimes results with left spin, (I'm lefthanded, btw).

However, with TOI the cueball reacts perfectly nearly everytime. This is just a hint of inside, no big swooping or whatnot. It works and I don't know why, but my stroke seems to straighten itself out when I use it.

Actually, it might be better to not know why....

I would never listen to anyone about anything if they could not be why.

And if you don't know why it works, how can you say for certain that is why your stroke improved?

If you can't say why your stroke improved, how can say TOI works?

 

[Pidge]

Would your road partner be willing to call the very best snooker players in the world, past and present, suckers? They have an understanding of centre ball like no other and will never venture outside centre ball if they don't have to. They have some of the purest, straightest strokes around so are more than capable of using TOI to the highest level, but choose not to. I wonder why?

 

[8pack]

Would your road partner be willing to call the very best snooker players in the world, past and present, suckers? They have an understanding of centre ball like no other and will never venture outside centre ball if they don't have to. They have some of the purest, straightest strokes around so are more than capable of using TOI to the highest level, but choose not to. I wonder why?

CJ or anyone else would receive a pretty good beating trying to play a top snooker player using TOI.(Playing snooker)
The three pocket zone system would come to real eyes....this sh!t dont work on a snooker table. One pocket zone is required....better straighten that stroke.:wink:

 

[CJ Wiley]

It's like the difference between ping pong and tennis.

Snooker is not pocket billiards, you know that, snooker is not the topic of discussion.

It's like the difference between ping pong and tennis (not literally of course).

Would your road partner be willing to call the very best snooker players in the world, past and present, suckers? They have an understanding of centre ball like no other and will never venture outside centre ball if they don't have to. They have some of the purest, straightest strokes around so are more than capable of using TOI to the highest level, but choose not to. I wonder why?

 

[CJ Wiley]

Once you go through the TOI training for 3 hours it's undeniable.

Of course TOI works, there's now thousands of players using and benefiting from 'The Touch of Inside' - I predict within two years tens of thousands will find out how effective the TOI Technique is. Once you go through the TOI training for 3 hours it's undeniable.

I would never listen to anyone about anything if they could not be why.

And if you don't know why it works, how can you say for certain that is why your stroke improved?

If you can't say why your stroke improved, how can say TOI works?

 

[Pidge]

Snooker is not pocket billiards, you know that, snooker is not the topic of discussion.

It's like the difference between ping pong and tennis (not literally of course).

Snooker being the tennis of the two, eh ;-)

And are you sure there are tens of thousands of people that play pool competatively and have enough interest to bother learning your technique, I doubt there are.

 

[CJ Wiley]

there's going to be a huge upswing in pool coming up.

Not right now, however, there's going to be a huge upswing in pool coming up.....it will be much different within 15 months.

Snooker being the tennis of the two, eh ;-)

And are you sure there are tens of thousands of people that play pool competatively and have enough interest to bother learning your technique, I doubt there are.

 

[Pidge]

Not right now, however, there's going to be a huge upswing in pool coming up.....it will be much different within 15 months.

I hope you're right, but unless you can get a whole bunch of professionals ready to act as role models within the next 15 months I doubt it will ever take off like you imagine. Again, I hope you can prove me wrong.

 

[Ratta]

Snooker being the tennis of the two, eh ;-)

And are you sure there are tens of thousands of people that play pool competatively and have enough interest to bother learning your technique, I doubt there are.

well said antony,
hope youre doin fine brother.

Don't forget about center cb.

I find it interesting that so many kinda jump ship on the natural way of striking the cb.
While you have increased your knowledge of outside with toi you have not really cemented anything in your play unless you play a lot. Shafts play different ,cb react different, there's a lot to consider .

Lay off playing for awhile and you'll lose a lot of that feel that going outside needs to be accurate. I understand it makes sense with many shots but you've added kind of a dangerous element to the shot unless you play all the time.(the element is not needed all the time))

When using center cb you have nothing really to worry about ,just make the ball.(hit the right spot).

Going outside on either side.....not only do you have to guess the right spot ,but also hit the correct speed.

Whats easier???

Nothing trumps a straight stroke,not even toi.

Just my opinion.

Good luck with your Game.

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[ps611846]

You guys should pay close attention to snooker pros. How can you say they play center ball? If you knew exactly what they do you would be pros like them. Anthony, you know I like you and I respect your game. But talking about Cj and his game like that is not good at all. You have seen him playing in the past. I don't think you could beat him. He desrves respect from everyone.

Panagiotis

 

[ps611846]

Duckie I have nothing to say about you. It's worthless. Do you think you have knowledge of the game? What do you think about Cj Wiley ? Man, I'm still waiting for some videos of yours shooting some balls. And remember this : cb- ob distance greater than 1,5 diamonds !!!!!!!!! You may use your arrow too........ And your ghost ball..... Whatever.......Lmao.........

 

[ps611846]

Also, about this "straight stroke" mania. You guys always say that if you don't have a straight stroke, you will not be able to play good pool. Could you say this to :
1. Francisco Bustamante
2. Steve Mizerak
3. Mike Sigel
4. A lot of great players from the past ?????

The problem is that you think you know everything. But the truth is that everybody is different and creates his style of playing. People who play with straight stroke, they have no idea on what Francisco (for example) is doing. They can't realize what he is doing. They can't perceive things this way.

I can't say that this style is better than the other. It is just different. A lot of players have a natural movement of their stroking arm which moves the cue in an "arc" and not in a straight line. For right handed players it's from left to right and for left handed players it's from right to left. They could't even imagine playing on "straight stroke". They would not be able to make the easiest of shots and they would "lose" the cue ball frequently.

So, don't be so sure you know everything about the game. And this is for everyone. Let the players practice the way they want. Through practice, they will discover their own "secrets" and create their unique style.This is the beauty of the game. It is not about creating thousands of "straight stroking robots".

 

[Pidge]

You guys should pay close attention to snooker pros. How can you say they play center ball? If you knew exactly what they do you would be pros like them. Anthony, you know I like you and I respect your game. But talking about Cj and his game like that is not good at all. You have seen him playing in the past. I don't think you could beat him. He desrves respect from everyone.

Panagiotis

I've played snooker all my life, I've played against the best in the business and I'm close friends with a couple that are currently in the top 32 in the world. Of course they don't stick to centre ball all the time. But as a base, centre ball is the best way to teach someone who wants to build their game. I've shown the TOI videos to a current top 32 player...yes, I bought TOI! And he laughed at it. He acknowledges there is a place for it, but not with nearly the percentage of the time CJ and others advise you use it. He said, and I quote, never use side when you don't need to, it complicates things needlessly.

I've also shown him posts by CJ about creating angles and again, he laughs at it. How can someone saying they create angles using TOI claim to be creating them? Anyone can. Using centre, or sidespin. You simply point and shoot in another direction.

The fact is, if favouring one part of the CB was so accurate wouldn't you think snooker players would be best suited to do so, since they all have accurate strokes? And for that matter, all the top pool pros have accurate strokes too, why aren't they all using TOI? The break, in snooker is extremely repetitive, most shoot with running side and hit the ball in the exact same spot each time. So they all favour one side of the ball...and yet the break varies massively from break to break. Some run into the blue, some run into the baulk colours, so I don't care what anyone says, favouring on part of the ball will not make you better or make more margin for error.

 

[ps611846]

I've played snooker all my life, I've played against the best in the business and I'm close friends with a couple that are currently in the top 32 in the world. Of course they don't stick to centre ball all the time. But as a base, centre ball is the best way to teach someone who wants to build their game. I've shown the TOI videos to a current top 32 player...yes, I bought TOI! And he laughed at it. He acknowledges there is a place for it, but not with nearly the percentage of the time CJ and others advise you use it. He said, and I quote, never use side when you don't need to, it complicates things needlessly.

I've also shown him posts by CJ about creating angles and again, he laughs at it. How can someone saying they create angles using TOI claim to be creating them? Anyone can. Using centre, or sidespin. You simply point and shoot in another direction.

The fact is, if favouring one part of the CB was so accurate wouldn't you think snooker players would be best suited to do so, since they all have accurate strokes? And for that matter, all the top pool pros have accurate strokes too, why aren't they all using TOI? The break, in snooker is extremely repetitive, most shoot with running side and hit the ball in the exact same spot each time. So they all favour one side of the ball...and yet the break varies massively from break to break. Some run into the blue, some run into the baulk colours, so I don't care what anyone says, favouring on part of the ball will not make you better or make more margin for error.

Can you tell me if your snooker pro friends have ever told you how they aim shots according to cb-ob positions on the table? Have you ever asked them if they play let's say a 30 degree angle the same way all the time ? No matter where the balls are on the surface of the table? Do you think it's their straight stroke that does the job?

Have you ever asked them about their left foot positioning? Every guy says (including instructors) that snooker pros aim with their "lead leg" (the right leg for right handed) and left foot's position doesn't matter !!!!! Bullshit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone should be fkin blind if he doesn't notice that they use their left foot (right handed players) in different positions.

You think they would ever tell you what they are actually doing ???? Noooooooo !!!!!!!

 

[Pidge]

They have various ways of aiming. None of which are as fancy as some of the utter shite people claim works for them in the pool world. All snooker players will say they find the line of the shot. Is that an aiming system? No, but its because they have been playing for so long that they are able to find the line of the shot instantly no matter how the balls are situated. They step into the shot with their back leg, not lead leg, and this is always in the same place for every shot in relation to the line of the shot. The left, lead leg for a righty, is then placed in a position that allows the hips and shoulders to be in the same place in relation to the shot line. Some like the hips to be square to the shot, others prefer a more closed stance and the leg goes further out in front. The foot of the lead leg has nothing to do with how they aim, so it varies where its pointing. Sometimes with the size of the table the left leg has to be positioned elsewhere, but they could easily play standing on their right leg only, showing the left leg is purely for stability purposes and has no influence in how they aim.

Now, for a beginner, they will be taught ghost ball, fractional, back of ball, and contact point-opposite side contact point aiming methods. But most will use ghost ball. Anyone can pick out the centre of the ghost ball, so they trust setting up the same way will align them to the correct shot line each and every time. This means, find the ghost ball, step in, for example with the right leg and foot pointing directly at this ghost ball, then set the left leg in a way that positions the hips how you prefer to the ghost ball and drop down. Any minor adjustments are made without thinking and relies on previous experience to be able to make them. You ought to try it. Their straight strokes just allow them to send the white where they intend more accurately. Its amazing how accurate you can be when you clear your mind and just rely on previous experience

 

[ps611846]

They have various ways of aiming. None of which are as fancy as some of the utter shite people claim works for them in the pool world. All snooker players will say they find the line of the shot. Is that an aiming system? No, but its because they have been playing for so long that they are able to find the line of the shot instantly no matter how the balls are situated. They step into the shot with their back leg, not lead leg, and this is always in the same place for every shot in relation to the line of the shot. The left, lead leg for a righty, is then placed in a position that allows the hips and shoulders to be in the same place in relation to the shot line. Some like the hips to be square to the shot, others prefer a more closed stance and the leg goes further out in front. The foot of the lead leg has nothing to do with how they aim, so it varies where its pointing. Sometimes with the size of the table the left leg has to be positioned elsewhere, but they could easily play standing on their right leg only, showing the left leg is purely for stability purposes and has no influence in how they aim.

Now, for a beginner, they will be taught ghost ball, fractional, back of ball, and contact point-opposite side contact point aiming methods. But most will use ghost ball. Anyone can pick out the centre of the ghost ball, so they trust setting up the same way will align them to the correct shot line each and every time. This means, find the ghost ball, step in, for example with the right leg and foot pointing directly at this ghost ball, then set the left leg in a way that positions the hips how you prefer to the ghost ball and drop down. Any minor adjustments are made without thinking and relies on previous experience to be able to make them. You ought to try it. Their straight strokes just allow them to send the white where they intend more accurately. Its amazing how accurate you can be when you clear your mind and just rely on previous experience

I disagree with you on that "lead leg". It makes more sense that the right leg is the lead because you use it to step into the shot line. Anyways, they use their left leg also to get in the right pisition for the shot and not "the shot line". There is not one shot line for a 30 degree shot. Position of the balls changes the shot line............