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[Pidge]

I disagree with you on that "lead leg". It makes more sense that the right leg is the lead because you use it to step into the shot line. Anyways, they use their left leg also to get in the right pisition for the shot and not "the shot line". There is not one shot line for a 30 degree shot. Position of the balls changes the shot line............

The shot line is the line the CB takes...

So yes, there is just one shot line for a 30 degree cut. And this is why the lead leg, peg leg, third leg, or what ever you want to call it differs from shot to shot. Snooker players do not position them selves around the OB ball, but around the lone of the shot...remember, this is the line the CB must take to pocket the OB ;-) so that is why you may think they adjust their front leg from shot to shot. In reality they have exactly the same set up in relation to the line the CB must travel towards the OB. This goes for pocketing the ball, playing safe, or kicking.

The "lead leg" is called that in snooker because of just that. It is in the "lead", ie front, when your stance is set. We refer to the right leg for a right hander as the "back leg", "step leg" or "locked leg".

If you can create a PSR that is the same each time and a stance that is also the same each time in relation to the line of the shot then you are on your way to playing decent pool or snooker.

 

[ps611846]

The shot line is the line the CB takes...

So yes, there is just one shot line for a 30 degree cut. And this is why the lead leg, peg leg, third leg, or what ever you want to call it differs from shot to shot. Snooker players do not position them selves around the OB ball, but around the lone of the shot...remember, this is the line the CB must take to pocket the OB ;-) so that is why you may think they adjust their front leg from shot to shot. In reality they have exactly the same set up in relation to the line the CB must travel towards the OB. This goes for pocketing the ball, playing safe, or kicking.

The "lead leg" is called that in snooker because of just that. It is in the "lead", ie front, when your stance is set. We refer to the right leg for a right hander as the "back leg", "step leg" or "locked leg".

If you can create a PSR that is the same each time and a stance that is also the same each time in relation to the line of the shot then you are on your way to playing decent pool or snooker.

http://www.prosnookerblog.com/2011/01/17/snooker-coaching-striking-the-ball/

I guess his lead leg is his left leg. But he is left handed !!!!!
Classic article on fundamentals. There are millions out there. And they are all BULLSHIT !!!!!!! That's why people struggle with the game. They let others tell them what's right and what's wrong. The best you have to do is practice a lot by yourself and try everything. You will find what suits you best and create your own style. Don't try to become a robot.

 

[Pidge]

http://www.prosnookerblog.com/2011/01/17/snooker-coaching-striking-the-ball/

I guess his lead leg is his left leg. But he is left handed !!!!!
Classic article on fundamentals. There are millions out there. And they are all BULLSHIT !!!!!!! That's why people struggle with the game. They let others tell them what's right and what's wrong. The best you have to do is practice a lot by yourself and try everything. You will find what suits you best and create your own style. Don't try to become a robot.

I agree, the last thing you want to do is emulate someone, no matter how good they may be. But instructors would be out of a job. Players at all levels in snooker receive instruction, but the way you are taught is a general way mostly. You won't find an instructor that tells you to stand a certain way, aim a certain way and so on. Most will speak with you for upto an hour about what you want to get out of a session then work with you on that. They will watch you play, then offer advice on how to improve say for example you stroke. If that feels uncomfortable pr isn't working they will try another way until the person finds what works for them to achieve what they want. You have to take instructional articles as a rule of thumb, and can have no one else to blame if you take them literally and discover they don't work for you.

 

[BeiberLvr]

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[8pack]

You guys should pay close attention to snooker pros. How can you say they play center ball? If you knew exactly what they do you would be pros like them. Anthony, you know I like you and I respect your game. But talking about Cj and his game like that is not good at all. You have seen him playing in the past. I don't think you could beat him. He desrves respect from everyone.

Panagiotis

I guess I could've left out cjs name. While snooker is a different game the importance of center ball is a must. Never said cjs game wasn't good.

You don't have to play like them to know the truth.:smile


I do have some respect for Mr Wiley,but his 29 ball run with toi kinda put things in perspective for me.

Take care!
Anthony









The truth is the teacher.

 

[8pack]

well said antony,
hope youre doin fine brother.



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Doing well. Thanks

Hope all in Germany is well .:smile:

 

[ps611846]

I guess I could've left out cjs name. While snooker is a different game the importance of center ball is a must. Never said cjs game wasn't good.

You don't have to play like them to know the truth.:smile


I do have some respect for Mr Wiley,but his 29 ball run with toi kinda put things in perspective for me.

Take care!
Anthony


Center ball should only be used for stun shots and meduim speed follow and draw. For every other hit center ball is recipe for disaster...........

Panagiotis

 

[CJ Wiley]

Pocket Billiards and snooker are like "apples and oranges"

I wonder if you're friends that are in the top 32 in snooker would like to play me some pool?

I didn't think so.

Pocket Billiards and snooker are like "apples and oranges" - I would have as good a chance at beating them at snooker as they would at beating me at pool.

I had a 6/12 snooker table in my pool room for many years and can run 100 as easy as I can run 3 racks of 10 Ball.

I've played snooker all my life, I've played against the best in the business and I'm close friends with a couple that are currently in the top 32 in the world. Of course they don't stick to centre ball all the time. But as a base, centre ball is the best way to teach someone who wants to build their game. I've shown the TOI videos to a current top 32 player...yes, I bought TOI! And he laughed at it. He acknowledges there is a place for it, but not with nearly the percentage of the time CJ and others advise you use it. He said, and I quote, never use side when you don't need to, it complicates things needlessly.

I've also shown him posts by CJ about creating angles and again, he laughs at it. How can someone saying they create angles using TOI claim to be creating them? Anyone can. Using centre, or sidespin. You simply point and shoot in another direction.

The fact is, if favouring one part of the CB was so accurate wouldn't you think snooker players would be best suited to do so, since they all have accurate strokes? And for that matter, all the top pool pros have accurate strokes too, why aren't they all using TOI? The break, in snooker is extremely repetitive, most shoot with running side and hit the ball in the exact same spot each time. So they all favour one side of the ball...and yet the break varies massively from break to break. Some run into the blue, some run into the baulk colours, so I don't care what anyone says, favouring on part of the ball will not make you better or make more margin for error.

 

[CJ Wiley]

play the game at a speed as high as anyone using TOI, and can't without using TOI...

Yes, everyone strokes the ball differently, mostly because of our different body types, and the way our wrists and hands are shaped.

Concentrate on where you're hitting the cue ball, that's going to be the key for everyone. "Finding your center" may not be center, it may be inside, or outside.

One thing's certain, I can play the game at a speed as high as anyone using TOI, and can't without using TOI......"different strokes for different folks" - If you can't use TOI as your "center," then it would be cool if others would share what they do and why it's effective.

I've written thousands of pages on TOI, and made a 90 minute video to introduce those that want to experience it the ability to use and benefit from the 'Touch OF Inside' - 'The Game is the Teacher'

Also, about this "straight stroke" mania. You guys always say that if you don't have a straight stroke, you will not be able to play good pool. Could you say this to :
1. Francisco Bustamante
2. Steve Mizerak
3. Mike Sigel
4. A lot of great players from the past ?????

The problem is that you think you know everything. But the truth is that everybody is different and creates his style of playing. People who play with straight stroke, they have no idea on what Francisco (for example) is doing. They can't realize what he is doing. They can't perceive things this way.

I can't say that this style is better than the other. It is just different. A lot of players have a natural movement of their stroking arm which moves the cue in an "arc" and not in a straight line. For right handed players it's from left to right and for left handed players it's from right to left. They could't even imagine playing on "straight stroke". They would not be able to make the easiest of shots and they would "lose" the cue ball frequently.

So, don't be so sure you know everything about the game. And this is for everyone. Let the players practice the way they want. Through practice, they will discover their own "secrets" and create their unique style.This is the beauty of the game. It is not about creating thousands of "straight stroking robots".

 

[ps611846]

Yes, everyone strokes the ball differently, mostly because of our different body types, and the way our wrists and hands are shaped.

Concentrate on where you're hitting the cue ball, that's going to be the key for everyone. "Finding your center" may not be center, it may be inside, or outside.

One thing's certain, I can play the game at a speed as high as anyone using TOI, and can't without using TOI......"different strokes for different folks" - If you can't use TOI as your "center," then it would be cool if others would share what they do and why it's effective.

I've written thousands of pages on TOI, and made a 90 minute video to introduce those that want to experience it the ability to use and benefit from the 'Touch OF Inside' - 'The Game is the Teacher'

Yes, I agree with you. It has to do with our wrists and also shoulders and elbows !!!!! For some guys, it is impossible to develop a "straight stroke". They will always struggle with this. They should stick with their NATURAL arm movement and move on from there.

 

[8pack]

Yes, I agree with you. It has to do with our wrists and also shoulders and elbows !!!!! For some guys, it is impossible to develop a "straight stroke". They will always struggle with this. They should stick with their NATURAL arm movement and move on from there.

You don't fix a bad stroke this way . If it takes retraining the arm ..changing feat and body position..wrist...it can be done if you want it hard enough .

Bad advice my friend. And you mentioned some player that had I guess a bad stroke. I bet at contact and their follow through was pretty straight.
If they didn't hit center cb it was for a reason.

 

[ps611846]

You don't fix a bad stroke this way . If it takes retraining the arm ..changing feat and body position..wrist...it can be done if you want it hard enough .

Bad advice my friend. And you mentioned some player that had I guess a bad stroke. I bet at contact and their follow through was pretty straight.
If they didn't hit center cb it was for a reason.

Anthony, if you take a close look at these players you will notice that their cue moves in an arc. It is not straight. They perceive shots in a different way and they also execute in a different way. I know what they are doing but I will keep this for me at least for now. I never said these players had bad strokes !!!!!! And that they can't hit center ball !!!!! I was meaning exactly the opposite !!!!!! I was talking about their GREAT STROKES !!!!!!!!! But I didn't say anything about their manual pivots and how they connect with the object ball edges...........................

 

[Mitchxout]

You don't fix a bad stroke this way . If it takes retraining the arm ..changing feat and body position..wrist...it can be done if you want it hard enough .

Bad advice my friend. And you mentioned some player that had I guess a bad stroke. I bet at contact and their follow through was pretty straight.
If they didn't hit center cb it was for a reason.

Many champions didn't have perfectly straight strokes but those were still great strokes. A straight stroke should be everyone's goal, the straighter the better.
However, just because it's unorthodox, doesn't mean it's wrong. This is true for everything in life, not just pool.

 

[8pack]

Don't confuse practice strokes for the final stroke. May look bent from the start....but I bet its not as bent on the final swing.

 

[ps611846]

Don't confuse practice strokes for the final stroke. May look bent from the start....but I bet its not as bent on the final swing.

Anthony, it is bent. And it is bent for a reason. This system they use requires this kind of stroke. It doesn't work with a straight stroke. I have seen in the past you mentioned something and made a video of Bustamante looking at a "contact point". Just forget about that. He has nothing to do with contact points. You know a lot about this game, I know that. But maybe you don't know how this works.

 

[8pack]

Anthony, it is bent. And it is bent for a reason. This system they use requires this kind of stroke. It doesn't work with a straight stroke. I have seen in the past you mentioned something and made a video of Bustamante looking at a "contact point". Just forget about that. He has nothing to do with contact points. You know a lot about this game, I know that. But maybe you don't know how this works.

If your cue is offset from the start to the end... there's know secret there.

 

[ps611846]

If your cue is offset from the start to the end... there's know secret there.

Forgot to mention. It's this kind of stroke which made Francisco break the rack at 34mph. Of course this belongs in the past as we all get older. But this was the key. Nobody with a straight stroke can break a rack at that speed. You can't accelerate like that with a straight stroke. It holds you back. Maybe a few exeptions but again, 34 mph I don't think so. The muscles work different with a straight stroke. But with this movement he can hit the cb at any speed. From 0,0001 to 34 mph.

 

[8pack]

Forgot to mention. It's this kind of strokeI cawhich made Francisco break the rack at 34mph. Of course this belongs in the past as we all get older. But this was the key. Nobody with a straight stroke can break a rack at that speed. You can't accelerate like that with a straight stroke. It holds you back. Maybe a few exeptions but again, 34 mph I don't think so. The muscles work different with a straight stroke. But with this movement he can hit the cb at any speed. From 0,0001 to 34 mph.

Maybe some can hit fast with a straight stroke when breaking .....i can't .
I actually aim at the edge of the head ball with my all body natural motion power break. Fine tune it till your hitting the head ball square...who cares if your aiming at the edge of the racked balls ...its the goal achieved that counts...right:wink:

Its a different story when pocketing balls...more touch an feel in that part of the game.

 

[BeiberLvr]

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[AtLarge]

... There is not one shot line for a 30 degree shot. Position of the balls changes the shot line............

Please explain what you mean.

Anthony, if you take a close look at these players you will notice that their cue moves in an arc. It is not straight. They perceive shots in a different way and they also execute in a different way. I know what they are doing but I will keep this for me at least for now. ...

Why the secret? Please explain what you believe.