Mosconi Cup 2019 question

[xXGEARXx]

Okay. During the final match with Skyler Woodward and Joshua Filler, there was a moment where the referee interfered on Woodward and I am guessing told him the balls were frozen? I do not know what he said to Woodward, but there was a moment for a few seconds that he (referee) viewed the cluster of balls and then said something to Woodward before he made his shot.

This pause was a few seconds that were removed from Woodward's time and Skyler didn't make issue of it and simply shot. The seconds that were used from the referee were never given back to the player. My question is simple. Is this something that as the referee pauses the match to look at something, then the player shoot, should those seconds be given back/clock stopped to the player that is up shooting?

This is more of a curiosity and I would like to read what others think as well. In my opinion, the clock should have been stopped and then the referee review what's need, discuss findings with player, then resume clock/match.

I realize this was not a big deal, as Skyler simply moved on and made a shot, but what is the most correct action and what practice should be applied on subsequent matches?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgMSPkSNA4

The question I am raising starts around the 6:46 mark during their second game of match 19.

*Please note: If the time was returned, I did not see that in the video, but it may have been - which then makes my question moot.*

 

[pt109]

Okay. During the final match with Skyler Woodward and Joshua Filler, there was a moment where the referee interfered on Woodward and I am guessing told him the balls were frozen? I do not know what he said to Woodward, but there was a moment for a few seconds that he (referee) viewed the cluster of balls and then said something to Woodward before he made his shot.

This pause was a few seconds that were removed from Woodward's time and Skyler didn't make issue of it and simply shot. The seconds that were used from the referee were never given back to the player. My question is simple. Is this something that as the referee pauses the match to look at something, then the player shoot, should those seconds be given back/clock stopped to the player that is up shooting?

This is more of a curiosity and I would like to read what others think as well. In my opinion, the clock should have been stopped and then the referee review what's need, discuss findings with player, then resume clock/match.

I realize this was not a big deal, as Skyler simply moved on and made a shot, but what is the most correct action and what practice should be applied on subsequent matches?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgMSPkSNA4

The question I am raising starts around the 6:46 mark during their second game of match 19.

*Please note: If the time was returned, I did not see that in the video, but it may have been - which then makes my question moot.*

The pause was, I’m pretty sure, to inform him that the 8-ball was froze....
...Sky had a simple shot, so the few seconds were inconsequential.
..good point though if had taken a while.

Thanx for showing this again...I never noticed how good Sky’s lag was that set...
...he might’ve froze it.....touch is the toughest under heat...Sky performed...:bow-down:

 

[Bob Jewett]

... In my opinion, the clock should have been stopped and then the referee review what's need, discuss findings with player, then resume clock/match. ...

I think that if the referee initiates some admin action, like asking the player to wait for a frozen determination, then the clock should be stopped. I believe that the clock was not stopped for ball cleaning when done at the player's request.

 

[ChrisinNC]

I think that if the referee initiates some admin action, like asking the player to wait for a frozen determination, then the clock should be stopped. I believe that the clock was not stopped for ball cleaning when done at the player's request.

I can’t imagine the careful marking, cleaning, and replacing the cue ball could be done in any less than 20 to 25 seconds, so that would seem to seriously rush a player on a shot clock of any less than 45 seconds, wouldn’t it?

 

[Bob Jewett]

I can’t imagine the careful marking, cleaning, and replacing the cue ball could be done in any less than 20 to 25 seconds, so that would seem to seriously rush a player on a shot clock of any less than 45 seconds, wouldn’t it?

I'm guessing that 10-12 seconds is enough if the ref is prepared to clean the ball.

 

[pt109]

I can’t imagine the careful marking, cleaning, and replacing the cue ball could be done in any less than 20 to 25 seconds, so that would seem to seriously rush a player on a shot clock of any less than 45 seconds, wouldn’t it?

I'm guessing that 10-12 seconds is enough if the ref is prepared to clean the ball.

I think it’s fair...otherwise there would be a lot of extra ball cleaning in lieu of an extension

 

[jay helfert]

Okay. During the final match with Skyler Woodward and Joshua Filler, there was a moment where the referee interfered on Woodward and I am guessing told him the balls were frozen? I do not know what he said to Woodward, but there was a moment for a few seconds that he (referee) viewed the cluster of balls and then said something to Woodward before he made his shot.

This pause was a few seconds that were removed from Woodward's time and Skyler didn't make issue of it and simply shot. The seconds that were used from the referee were never given back to the player. My question is simple. Is this something that as the referee pauses the match to look at something, then the player shoot, should those seconds be given back/clock stopped to the player that is up shooting?

This is more of a curiosity and I would like to read what others think as well. In my opinion, the clock should have been stopped and then the referee review what's need, discuss findings with player, then resume clock/match.

I realize this was not a big deal, as Skyler simply moved on and made a shot, but what is the most correct action and what practice should be applied on subsequent matches?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgMSPkSNA4

The question I am raising starts around the 6:46 mark during their second game of match 19.

*Please note: If the time was returned, I did not see that in the video, but it may have been - which then makes my question moot.*

What the referee, John Leyman, did in that spot was totally appropriate. He informed him ahead of time that the eight ball was frozen to the rail and that could have affected the outcome of the next shot. It only took a few seconds for him to do this. It had zero affect on Skyler or his allotted time.

 

[xXGEARXx]

What the referee, John Leyman, did in that spot was totally appropriate. He informed him ahead of time that the eight ball was frozen to the rail and that could have affected the outcome of the next shot. It only took a few seconds for him to do this. It had zero affect on Skyler or his allotted time.

I appreciate the feedback. My point is whether it had any effect on the shot or not was irrelevant. He took a few seconds away from his time. Where is the line drawn at then? 5 seconds, 10 seconds, 15 seconds, etc?? Do you see where I am going with this? Regardless if it is a few seconds or not, time is time.