Mosconi Cup 2025, Dec. 3-6, Alexandra Palace, London

It’s not just Tyler and Thorpe. Both Shane and Fedor are not good as team players.

In order to get a different team, more Americans need to attend WNT events and score some points.
But in order to do that, they will have to leave the bar box mentality behind.
It all goes down to the same root issues.

5 American players went to the Mosconi and a 340 million nation couldn’t find some players good enough to play at the Spanish Open. They won’t get to an international pro level by playing small events at the local hall or some money games (big or small)
Yes, it costs money to travel and compete, it’s the same for everyone on this planet
 
Real tough watch today. I'm no world beater, so I have little room to talk. I also know I am not the only one to say it, but hard to believe this is the best team a country of our size can put out. I'm not naming names, but had serious concerns with 2 on our team. Unfortunately, today's performance proved that to be true, for day 1 anyway. You could almost tell when the miss was coming. A change\rush as they stepped into the shot. Brutal. We've all been there, but damn...Hoping there is some inspirational speech tonight given and tomorrow is different, but my money sure would not be on it. I'd just love to see this get into the weekend. So painful.
 
It’s not just Tyler and Thorpe. Both Shane and Fedor are not good as team players.

In order to get a different team, more Americans need to attend WNT events and score some points.
But in order to do that, they will have to leave the bar box mentality behind.
It all goes down to the same root issues.

5 American players went to the Mosconi and a 340 million nation couldn’t find some players good enough to play at the Spanish Open. They won’t get to an international pro level by playing small events at the local hall or some money games (big or small)
Yes, it costs money to travel and compete, it’s the same for everyone on this planet
You say this like its a new thing. The US hasn't been a factor, with the exception of one player, in int'l. big table pool for 15yrs or so. We all know and debate the reasons but it is what it is and its not changing anytime soon. If you can figure out how to get people back on 9ft's in big numbers you're a genius.
 
You say this like its a new thing. The US hasn't been a factor, with the exception of one player, in int'l. big table pool for 15yrs or so. We all know and debate the reasons but it is what it is and its not changing anytime soon. If you can figure out how to get people back on 9ft's in big numbers you're a genius.
I don't think table size is the problem, America just doesn't put resources into billiards like other countries do.

If I ever achieve enough money, I'll run a training center for the youth
 
I don't think table size is the problem, America just doesn't put resources into billiards like other countries do.

If I ever achieve enough money, I'll run a training center for the youth
No it is the tables. Bar table pool is alive, well, and thriving. If only a small % of those people would play on big tables it would be a huge deal. I agree the resources/grass roots programs are sorely lacking as well. Its a multi-headed problem for sure.
 
No it is the tables. Bar table pool is alive, well, and thriving. If only a small % of those people would play on big tables it would be a huge deal. I agree the resources/grass roots programs are sorely lacking as well. Its a multi-headed problem for sure.
See we agree on something
 
Obviously Thorpe and Styer are great players, but the pressure is enormous and it is even worse after losing every year- they start out so tight. They should probably try a whole new cast of players that doesn’t have such a negative history hanging over their heads
 
Sure it’s disappointing, but should anyone be surprised? We simplify can’t compete with Europe. I don’t think it’s within the rules, but we need to put together a team soon after this cup and have them play together for a year.
 
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