Mosconi Cup Coverage and Discussion Dec 10-13.

[JoeyA]

Yeah, but did he ever steer his partner wrong? I saw him tell Shane to shoot a carom into a combo with the opposite English Shane wanted...Shane was dubious, but went ahead and did it, getting perfect position through all kinds of traffic; had he shot it with running English like he wanted, he'd have been stuck for sure. JA may be giving alot of advice to his partners, but it's good advice...he's got a couple of decades' experience on everybody.

OK, I back-track on my previous post. There are other situations where a player SHOULD give advice to their partner. I think what Johnnyt said still rings true but there are other situations where two minds can make better decisions. Another one is on how to push out after the break. I've seen situations where one player is thinking they go this way and the other player suggests to play it another way and it is WAY better.

I didn't pay a lot of attention to how often partners were offering suggestions to each other except the push-outs after the break but it didn't seem like it was overly frequent.

 

[Donny Lutz]

Double-kiss position

This a great Cup so far! And I fully expect it to go down to the wire. IMO the teams are very evenly matched. It will all come down to who handles the pressure the best on the final day.

P.S. Johnny was a great choice, he is like having a playing captain on the team. Plus, he plays great under pressure!

I totally agree. Nothing wrong with CJ, but why do you need a separate captain/coach when you have Johnny?

I was surprised at one point in Feijen's match where he played a double-kiss position shot off the 8-ball. Both announcers claimed he just got lucky. It was obvious to me that he not only played it that way, but hit it absolutely perfectly. The double-kiss was actually much easier than jacking up (he was close to the rail) to avoid striking the 8-ball.

 

[Joe_Jaguar]

This a great Cup so far! And I fully expect it to go down to the wire. IMO the teams are very evenly matched. It will all come down to who handles the pressure the best on the final day.

P.S. Johnny was a great choice, he is like having a playing captain on the team. Plus, he plays great under pressure!

Being on the broadcast crew, has there been any talk of how now that they got it showing on ESPN3 that it might be a trial to see whether or not to have it on ESPN2, etc., next year?

Thanks.

 

[RackemUP2012]

I don't know why I even bother answering trolls. Brand new account and only 9 post just to stir up shit.

Why don't you post something with your regular account??? Prolly banned.

Shuff never left Johnny bad, not once. Johnny did leave Shuff bad once or twice.

I actually watched the match..... twice.

Ray

Oh I agree big mouth...I mean big truck. Your boy Shuff will certainly be MVP..LMAO. he is the weak link on team USA...shoNUFF. I'm sorry I am a new account on this site and haven't posted 11,000+(<<< and you call me a troll)comments here. It would seem the only good stroke you probably have is a key stroke. I have run into plenty of mouths like you in the halls over the past 20 years and it's always the same blah blah blah know it all and then you rackemUP!

 

[RackemUP2012]

This site is a joke

And with that I am outta here. I came looking for a link to the Mosconi Cup coverage and I found it. What I also found was a bunch of bullshitters who like to talk about pool but most wouldn't know the working end of a cue. Enjoy your fantasy lives pool pro wannabes! This is why professional billiards is and always will be considered a joke and not covered like other sports. So post your 15,0000 posts about how great you are and what a great $2,000 cue you own. I in the meantime will be busy in the pool halls taking money from marks like you fools. Without losers like you guys there would be no winners like me. Stay frosty suckers!

 

[robsnotes4u]

I totally agree. Nothing wrong with CJ, but why do you need a separate captain/coach when you have Johnny?

I was surprised at one point in Feijen's match where he played a double-kiss position shot off the 8-ball. Both announcers claimed he just got lucky. It was obvious to me that he not only played it that way, but hit it absolutely perfectly. The double-kiss was actually much easier than jacking up (he was close to the rail) to avoid striking the 8-ball.

You are kidding right? It s definitely harder to play te double kiss. There is more precision playing to a specific spot on the cue ball and object ball rather tan missing the object all. He couldn't hit that again in another 25 tries. Besides if he is off a hair to the right at that speed he is dead. Too low a percentage


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[Apocalypse2017]

And with that I am outta here. I came looking for a link to the Mosconi Cup coverage and I found it. What I also found was a bunch of bullshitters who like to talk about pool but most wouldn't know the working end of a cue. Enjoy your fantasy lives pool pro wannabes! This is why professional billiards is and always will be considered a joke and not covered like other sports. So post your 15,0000 posts about how great you are and what a great $2,000 cue you own. I in the meantime will be busy in the pool halls taking money from marks like you fools. Without losers like you guys there would be no winners like me. Stay frosty suckers!

Don't let the cyber door hit you on the a$$ on the way out.

 

[Donny Lutz]

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You are kidding right? It s definitely harder to play te double kiss. There is more precision playing to a specific spot on the cue ball and object ball rather tan missing the object all. He couldn't hit that again in another 25 tries. Besides if he is off a hair to the right at that speed he is dead. Too low a percentage


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Did you see the shot? As I stated, the cue ball was close to the rail. If not, it would have been better to avoid the 8, yes. But by shooting the shot with gentle roll, the CB went naturally into the 8 for the double-kiss. He couldn't be off to the right of the 8-ball (there wasn't room for that), and if he's off to the left a tad, he's still OK. I also watched his planning, his pure stroke, and his reaction after the stroke. It was no "accident".

Of course, that's my opinion, and I could be completely wrong. But I called the double-kiss back immediately before anyone commented. I've used that DK shot myself, so I know it's not that difficult....and I'm not a professional player.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Did you see the shot? As I stated, the cue ball was close to the rail. If not, it would have been better to avoid the 8, yes. But by shooting the shot with gentle roll, the CB went naturally into the 8 for the double-kiss. He couldn't be off to the right of the 8-ball (there wasn't room for that), and if he's off to the left a tad, he's still OK. I also watched his planning, his pure stroke, and his reaction after the stroke. It was no "accident".

Of course, that's my opinion, and I could be completely wrong. But I called the double-kiss back immediately before anyone commented. I've used that DK shot myself, so I know it's not that difficult....and I'm not a professional player.

The hard part is knowing that you will hit the ball on the rail full. It certainly looked to me like he played it and it went as he expected. With the balls that close it is certain he meant to hit the 8 and I doubt that his judgement would have been off more than a millimeter or three on the fullness.

 

[Bob Jewett]

The crowd was noisier still on Wednesday. A particularly bad example was right behind me in the balcony. Insulting, loud, not particularly witty and no respect for the players' right to a little quiet just before the shot. The ushers did control some unrulies on the lower level but did not venture up into the balcony.

That was an amazing masse shot by Shuff with the time pressure on. Generally, I think the US team had more trouble with the clock than the Euros. Van den Berg seems to incorporate the last-five-second beeping into his stroke rhythm.

I think the Appleton-SVB match shows the vagaries of the short-race format. I only remember one mistake by Shane (the missed ball) but Appleton had fewer.

The day was a little grayer. I walked across the Millennium Footbridge over the Thames and saw the reconstruction of the Globe Theater.

 

[ChrisBanks]

The crowd was noisier still on Wednesday. A particularly bad example was right behind me in the balcony. Insulting, loud, not particularly witty and no respect for the players' right to a little quiet just before the shot. The ushers did control some unrulies on the lower level but did not venture up into the balcony.

That was an amazing masse shot by Shuff with the time pressure on. Generally, I think the US team had more trouble with the clock than the Euros. Van den Berg seems to incorporate the last-five-second beeping into his stroke rhythm.

I think the Appleton-SVB match shows the vagaries of the short-race format. I only remember one mistake by Shane (the missed ball) but Appleton had fewer.

The day was a little grayer. I walked across the Millennium Footbridge over the Thames and saw the reconstruction of the Globe Theater.

Bob, what are your thoughts on sharking? I believe it is the shooter's error if ANYTHING external affects his shot. If he is not trained in this manner, that is his own shortcoming. Unless he is physically moved from his position, he should be trained to withstand any type of sharking.

It is a separate issue on whether it is ethical for a spectator to shark. But what use is it to be a world class player, but only in complete silence?

 

[Bob Jewett]

Bob, what are your thoughts on sharking? I believe it is the shooter's error if ANYTHING external affects his shot. If he is not trained in this manner, that is his own shortcoming. Unless he is physically moved from his position, he should be trained to withstand any type of sharking.

It is a separate issue on whether it is ethical for a spectator to shark. But what use is it to be a world class player, but only in complete silence?

Are you proposing that the players should be able to say or do whatever they want while their opponent is shooting as long as they don't physically harm him? I think the result if that policy were adopted would not be good. How about air horns? How about walking behind him on a tough, long shot and saying, "Doesn't look like the right line to me. Just trying to be helpful, dude." Or maybe doing it from the front where you and he can see better? Or going on about how happy you are that his mother died from cancer last year?

No one is asking for complete silence, just five or ten seconds of relative quiet before the shot. A lot depends on what the player expects. If you expect the waitress to walk right by your table mid-stroke, it may not bother you. If the crowd has been respectful and quiet for your final strokes, and someone suddenly shouts out, "Don't dog it, chump," you are more likely to be affected. The game should mostly be between the players and in my view done with mutual respect.

 

[Kimmo]

Bob,
What are the European players saying about their "dominance" of the American players?:grin-devilish:

well....judging by the results so far, and even more so by the rack-counts...I would say that Euro-TEAM is dominating. The games team USA has won, have been on relatively small margin.

I just think the EURO-team has worked professionally as a team whereas Team USA is more and more looking like JA with the rest of the team as "also played".

but that is just my opinion.:grin-devilish:

 

[SilentLurker]

Sharking

What are your thoughts on the USA team (not crowd) sharking Nick the Greek on day one, claiming he fouled just before he hit another ball?

 

[seven_7days]

What are your thoughts on the USA team (not crowd) sharking Nick the Greek on day one, claiming he fouled just before he hit another ball?

well, did he or did he not foul? if it was a legitimate claim, how is that sharking?

 

[SilentLurker]

No he didn't foul, they waited till he was down on the next shot and just about to deliver the cue, then started shouting about fouls. The ref then stopped play had a replay, which showed he was no where near the ball.

He was visibly shaken after that, for basically being called a cheat.

 

[ChrisBanks]

No he didn't foul, they waited till he was down on the next shot and just about to deliver the cue, then started shouting about fouls. The ref then stopped play had a replay, which showed he was no where near the ball.

He was visibly shaken after that, for basically being called a cheat.

Why was he visibly shaken? Shouldn't a player be prepared to deal with any form of sharking? Or will he enter a match so fragile that a small matter of words becomes more powerful than his mind?

 

[Kimmo]

Why was he visibly shaken? Shouldn't a player be prepared to deal with any form of sharking? Or will he enter a match so fragile that a small matter of words becomes more powerful than his mind?

so where do you draw a line then? sneezing while the guy is on backswing? Calling him names while he is on table? Chalking your queue 20cm away from him while he is shooting.....
so they should be allowed as well as it is only sharking?
besides, if there is a ref at the table, what business does the opponent or anyone else in the room have to call a foul?
I think there should be actually a rule against that. Any challenge on the ref-ruling (or in this case ref not calling a foul) that turns out groundless (video-ruling etc), should automatically lead to a ball-in-hand for the player at the table.

 

[HelloBaby-]

Maybe because of that he was over-motivated after, put on a show and beat the hell out of team USA. I'm suprised about his performance...

 

[gehawe]

What is the score at the moment, please?