Mosconi Cup Stats -- Career Records for Players on 2025 Teams

[AtLarge]

The 2025 Mosconi Cup starts just 7 days from today. So, again this year, I am posting the career Mosconi-Cup records of this year's players. The combined records for each player were compiled from the yearly match results shown on Wikipedia, from matchroompool.com archives, and from my own records The career records of everyone who has ever played on either team can be found here: https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...er-played-on-either-team.464772/#post-6028857

Team USA will enter the event with a combined 41 years of Cup experience (excludes Gorst's 1 year on Team Europe), with 44% (18 years) of that in Van Boening. Team Europe has 21 years of Cup experience, with Shaw the most experienced at 9 years. The 2 rookies this year are both on Team Europe.

Method A. Under this method, I counted a full win or loss for each player in each match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths for teams matches, or thirds for trebles matches, or halves for doubles matches). So these numbers essentially answer the question: "In how many winning and losing matches has each player been involved?" [Note that a record like 17-28 means 17 wins and 28 losses, not 17 wins out of 28 matches.]

Note: s = singles, d = doubles, tr = trebles, t = teams

Team USA​

• Shane Van Boening (18 yrs. -- 2007-2024) ..... 17-28 s, 22-26 d, 10-10 t, 49-64 total A (winning percentage of 43%)​

• Skyler Woodward (10 yrs. -- 2015-2024) ..... 10-10 s, 12-20 d, 7-5 t, 29-35 total A (45%)​

• Tyler Styer (6 yrs. -- 2018-2019, 2021-2024) ..... 3-6 s, 7-7 d, 5-3 t, 15-16 total A (48%)​

• Billy Thorpe (5 yrs. -- 2017-2020, 2024) ..... 3-4 s, 5-8 d, 4-3 t, 12-15 total A (44%)​

• Fedor Gorst (2 yrs. -- 2023-2024) ..... 1-3 s, 2-4 d, 2-2 t, 5-9 total A (36%)​

Team USA Total (41 yrs.) ..... 34-51 singles, 48-65 doubles, 28-23 teams, 110-139 total A (44%)​

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Team Europe​

• Jayson Shaw (9 yrs. -- 2016-2024) ..... 16-6 s, 15-10 d, 5-6 t, 36-22 total A (62%)​

• David Alcaide (6 yrs. -- 2006, 2017, 2021-2024) ..... 7-1 s, 11-4 d, 1-1 tr, 3-6 t, 22-12 total A (65%)​

• Joshua Filler (6 yrs. -- 2017, 2019-2023) ..... 12-4 s, 10-4 d, 2-4 t, 24-12 total A (67%)​

• Pijus Labutis (0 yrs. -- rookie)​

• Moritz Neuhausen (0 yrs. -- rookie)​

Team Europe Total (21 yrs.) ..... 35-11 s, 36-18 doubles, 1-1 trebles, 10-16 teams, 82-46 total A (64%)​

Method B. Another way of looking at the records is to count a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, one-third of a point for each player in a trebles win or loss, and one-fifth of a point for each player in a team win or loss. So the following numbers essentially answer the question: "What numerical contribution has each player made to the overall Mosconi Cup match scores?"

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Team USA​

• Shane Van Boening (18 yrs. -- 2007-2024) ..... 17-28 s, 11-13 d, 2-2 t, 30-43 total B (winning percentage of 41%)​

• Skyler Woodward (10 yrs. -- 2015-2024) ..... 10-10 s, 6-10 d, 1.4-1 t, 17.4-21 total B (45%)​

• Tyler Styer (6 yrs. -- 2018-2019, 2021-2024) ..... 3-6 s, 3.5-3.5 d, 1-0.6 t, 7.5-10.1 total B (43%)​

• Billy Thorpe (5 yrs. -- 2017-2020, 2024) ..... 3-4 s, 2.5-4 d, 0.8-0.6 t, 6.3-8.6 total B (42%)​

• Fedor Gorst (2 yrs. -- 2023-2024) ..... 1-3 s, 1-2 d, 0.4-0.4 t, 2.4-5.4 total B (31%)​

Team USA Total (41 yrs.) ..... 34-51 singles, 24-32.5 doubles, 5.6-4.6 teams, 63.6-88.1 total B (42%)​

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Team Europe​

• Jayson Shaw (9 yrs. -- 2016-2024) ..... 16-6 s, 7.5-5 d, 1-1.2 t, 24.5-12.2 total B (67%)​

• David Alcaide (6 yrs. -- 2006, 2017, 2021-2024) ..... 7-1 s, 5.5-2 d, 0.3-0.3 tr, 0.6-1.2 t, 13.4-4.5 total B (75%)​

• Joshua Filler (6 yrs. -- 2017, 2019-2023) ..... 12-4 s, 5-2 d, 0.4-0.8 t, 17.4-6.8 total B (72%)​

• Pijus Labutis (0 years -- rookie)​

• Moritz Neuhausen (0 years -- rookie)​

Team Europe Total (21 yrs.) ..... 35-11 s, 18-9 doubles, 0.3-0.3 trebles, 2-3.2 teams, 55.3-23.5 total B (70%)​

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FargoRate Picture

FargoRates for this year's Mosconi Cup players (from the "Top 100 World" and "Top 100 USA" lists as of today, Nov. 26):

Team USA​

Gorst -- 847​

Van Boening -- 846​

Woodward -- 814​

Styer -- 791​

Thorpe -- 778​

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Team USA Mean -- 815.2​

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Team Europe​

Filler -- 857​

Shaw -- 835​

Neuhausen -- 819​

Alcaide -- 817​

Labutis -- 812​

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Team Europe Mean -- 828.0​

Rating gap between team means --12.8

Obviously, the Cup will not be played with Team Europe having a 13-point FargoRate advantage in every match. But, just for fun:

• Probability of higher-rated player winning a single game if the rating gap is 13 points = 52.3%​

• Prob. of higher-rated player winning a race to 5 if the rating gap is 13 pts. = 55.5%​

• Prob. of winning a race to 11 matches if your prob. of winning each match is 55.5% = 69.6%, which would put Team Europe at just about 7-to-3 favorites.​

[Note: Bob Jewett did this calculation 2½ weeks ago with the FargoRates current at that time, with just slightly different results.]

 

[Kris_b1104]

I'm moist.

 

[garczar]

Cliff-notes version??? We're gonna get smoked.

 

[MattPoland]

I’m still hopeful. If Fedor and Shane can have a good year at the same time then a modest showing from Tyler, Sky or Billy can get us over the finish line.

 

[axejunkie]

Stating the obvious, for the US to stand a chance, Gorst and Shane need to make those singles records way better.

 

[sudocrushms]

Get SVB and Fedor out early and often. They're both players that get better the more they play. USA desperately needs to get them going.
The only way the US doesn't get the brakes beat off em....again...

 

[jasonlaus]

We don't have a single winning player and they don't have a single losing player

 

[bbb]

Cliff-notes version??? We're gonna get smoked.

thats what it looks like

 

[sjm]

I'm more inclined to look at recent form than Fargo rates.

Neuhausen just won the Peri Open and got silver at the Hanoi Open
Labutis just won the Hanoi Open
Alcaide just won the Philippines Open
Filler and Shaw have always played very well at the Mosconi

Team Europe looks tough on paper.

Gorst has not won a single 9ball or 10ball title in 2025
SVB has had a mediocre year by his standards, with no wins at the majors
Styer has been looking pretty good of late, and played well at the 2024 Mosconi
Woodward showed great form at the International 9ball, a good sign
Thorpe comes off two and out at the International 9ball to two lower Fargos, not a good sign

Team USA does not appear to be in tip top form.

Anything can happen, but on paper, this is a mismatch.

 

[sciarco]

They just don't have the players to get over the hump unreal, jasonlaus ur bang on sir.

 

[skip100]

Anything can happen, but on paper, this is a mismatch.

When was the last time it was not a mismatch on paper? Not any time recently.

 

[jay helfert]

Same old, same old. USA gets crushed. If they get past seven it's an upset.

 

[sciarco]

With 340 million population there's gotta be players out there that can compete with Europe ,i think SVB as great a player he is just can't do it at Mosconi cup. What's next give citizenship to the rest of the world to play in the USA gotta start bringing young players up my opinion only.

 

[garczar]

I’m still hopeful. If Fedor and Shane can have a good year at the same time then a modest showing from Tyler, Sky or Billy can get us over the finish line.

Its good to have a dream.

 

[garczar]

With 340 million population there's gotta be players out there that can compete with Europe ,i think SVB as great a player he is just can't do it at Mosconi cup. What's next give citizenship to the rest of the world to play in the USA gotta start bringing young players up my opinion only.

Pop. size means NADA when you have ZERO grass-roots big table pool programs. In UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURUP they get good instruction and tournament play by the age of about 10-12. Poland could field their own MC team and beat the US.

 

[sciarco]

That's what has to happen here, maybe the youngsters are just not interested or serious enough.