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Mother Drills.. What are they.
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How many people do you think will say mother drills are the drills you mother told you to do?... Mother drills are seven specific drills that are taught and worked at Pool School. They are the basic curriculum of the set pause finish program. You work on developing a set pause finish approach to your shot, stop shots, eye patterns, speed control among other things. I find it helpful to warm up with some of these drills everytime I go to the table.
For me mother drills are when my mom comes to the pool room and sets up shots for me to execute or I play the ghost while she does what she always does:talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk. Man...if you can learn to make a ball in that environment ordinary distractions you find in tournies and money matches are NOTHING!!
From what I can tell its not a group of drills that you can benefit from by seeing them in a diagram. Its a group of drills with a particular method being taught in their execution. Done improperly they may teach you unwanted habits. This is why they are only taught face to face so the instructor can insure their effectiveness. There have been many threads on this subject and the people that know what they are wont give you a diagrammed answer which is really what you are looking for. This is because just seeing them is not going to help and they know that. I believe its scott lee that teaches them on here and he is a very good and reasonable instructor. If you are truly intent on getting to the next level, proffessional instruction can be very rewarding. Keep in mind that you can only get what you give.
Yes, I do teach the Mother Drills. They are very simple, progressive in nature, and designed to address several different issues, all of which together, help to build a repeatable set up and delivery process for the cuestick. They include stroke building, sequence timing, eye pattern, speed control, and advanced stroke shots...all utilizing the SPF principles. 
I would have to disagree that someone could not learn them from the instructions and diagrams that we provide as part of the pool schools and private lessons. I do agree that it is an advantage to have a qualified SPF instructor at hand to help understand the basis and concepts behind doing them properly. As of yet, they are proprietary to our group of instructors, and are not available on the net.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
I would have to disagree that someone could not learn them from the instructions and diagrams that we provide as part of the pool schools and private lessons. I do agree that it is an advantage to have a qualified SPF instructor at hand to help understand the basis and concepts behind doing them properly. As of yet, they are proprietary to our group of instructors, and are not available on the net.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
shag_fu said:
funny
I consider the whole idea of "proprietary" drills, just a
marketing ploy, to "rope in" students. In other words, if
you want to know what they are, you have to pay for the
privilege.
There are numerous sites on the web that have drills.
There are enough to keep anyone busy for life.
I'm a little guilty of participating in a similar concept however,
when I sometimes refer to a shot in one of Bert Kinister's
videos. I have no financial interest in his endeavors, and
I sometimes refer to a shot he teaches, but the real
value comes from hearing all the background information
concerning the shot. And, that would require watching
the entire video, many times, to acquire the knowledge.
EDIT: And, I have absolutely no idea what the Mother Drills
are. I doubt I ever will.
I consider the whole idea of "proprietary" drills, just a
marketing ploy, to "rope in" students. In other words, if
you want to know what they are, you have to pay for the
privilege.
There are numerous sites on the web that have drills.
There are enough to keep anyone busy for life.
I'm a little guilty of participating in a similar concept however,
when I sometimes refer to a shot in one of Bert Kinister's
videos. I have no financial interest in his endeavors, and
I sometimes refer to a shot he teaches, but the real
value comes from hearing all the background information
concerning the shot. And, that would require watching
the entire video, many times, to acquire the knowledge.
EDIT: And, I have absolutely no idea what the Mother Drills
are. I doubt I ever will.
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I don't believe this to be true. I have NEVER read any post for instructors promoting the use of mother drills, unless it is in response to someone else's post that mentioned them up first. Most of the time it is the former student that might bring them up or in this thread's case, somebody that probably read a former sturents post. I am not sure, but I don't even think there is mention of "mother drills" on the instructors website.whitey2 said:
Mother Drills
The specific shots used for the mother drills are simple shots. Each one targets specific skills taught in class. They provide the student clear feedback on how well the performed the drill, and diagnostic information so the student can make adjustments to improve their skills. Without the methodology taught in class, the shots would have little value.
The specific shots used for the mother drills are simple shots. Each one targets specific skills taught in class. They provide the student clear feedback on how well the performed the drill, and diagnostic information so the student can make adjustments to improve their skills. Without the methodology taught in class, the shots would have little value.
re: "NEVER"
Well, I'm not sure what to think of your post. First you
say you "NEVER" read a post where they were brought
up by an instructor. But then you say "Most of the
time it is the former student that might bring them up..."
Well, here's one post that, if you read, will purge the
"NEVER"...
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=66400
In any case, I'm done with this thread, as I said what
I wanted to in my first post. And, I mean no harm to
the poster(s) of either thead, just stating my opinion.
mattman said:
Well, I'm not sure what to think of your post. First you
say you "NEVER" read a post where they were brought
up by an instructor. But then you say "Most of the
time it is the former student that might bring them up..."
Well, here's one post that, if you read, will purge the
"NEVER"...
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=66400
In any case, I'm done with this thread, as I said what
I wanted to in my first post. And, I mean no harm to
the poster(s) of either thead, just stating my opinion.
This is exactly what SPF and the mother drills do.kildegirl said:
At the completion of each shot, there are specific things that the student checks to identify the cause of the error in the shot. They can then work on eliminating the cause of the error. There are many sources of error. Elbow drop is one.kildegirl said:
SPF.kildegirl said:
A good example would be your tip position at the completion of the stroke.kildegirl said:
I think Scott summed it up fairly well. I would add that the shots are designed to provide specific feedback for the skill being practiced. Again, without the methodology, there would be little value gained from the shots.kildegirl said:
Scott Lee said:
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Whitey,
We just had a big discussion here about whether or not people's products should be reviewed to the extent that it gives away some of what they are teaching. This was inregards to Joe Villaplandos pool IQ DVD's. Most people agree that there is a line you cross if you discuss in too much detail what you had to rightfully pay to find out. I do not see this as being much different. The "Mother Drills" are drills compiled by the BCA instructors, and are taught in their classes. Simply because of this, we should respect their right to keep them somewhat private.
Secondly, I am sure the originators want them to be taught by someone who is trained to teach them, so they are done correctly. I do not yet know them, but I also don't see why it would be a problem to be kept for paying students only.
We just had a big discussion here about whether or not people's products should be reviewed to the extent that it gives away some of what they are teaching. This was inregards to Joe Villaplandos pool IQ DVD's. Most people agree that there is a line you cross if you discuss in too much detail what you had to rightfully pay to find out. I do not see this as being much different. The "Mother Drills" are drills compiled by the BCA instructors, and are taught in their classes. Simply because of this, we should respect their right to keep them somewhat private.
Secondly, I am sure the originators want them to be taught by someone who is trained to teach them, so they are done correctly. I do not yet know them, but I also don't see why it would be a problem to be kept for paying students only.
Ok....well I read the thread in reference and now stand corrected. I guess my point was, and I did take lessons from Randy G, in no way, shape or form did the mention of mother drills "rope" me into taking the class. Yes, I had heard of them prior to taking the class and knew they were going to be part of the course agenda, but it was the reputation and comments of former students that convinced me to take the class. Randy and I exchanged numerous emails before I took the course and NEVER mentioned the mother drills.whitey2 said:
FYI....I never felt any harm or disrespect from your opinions.
open wallets?
"Once again", I like that... How 'bout you don't know what I do know! I couldn't resist...
Reminds me of:
"At a fraction of the price..." (but what fraction, 3/2) ?
"Pennies on the dollar..." (how many, 140?)
I'm just making a point. I agree there's a place for kindergarten teachers, first grade
teachers, high school teachers, college professors, and in-house astrophysicist
seminar speakers.
But in almost all cases, the books are available at the library, and/or the information is
out there online. There is a value to "teachers", don't get me wrong, and they should
be compensated, as they provide a service that is needed by the folks who can't
comprehend what they come across in printed material or other media.
But in my mind, to close up a handful of shots, and assign a gimmicky name like
"mother drills" strikes me as an attempt to fool folks into thinking they will get the "holy
grail". And it significantly limits the audience that can further contribute, share, critique,
and improve free knowledge.
I forget the name of FL's "secret" material", something like "the mother of all drills" or something.
EDIT: I was close. "The Drill of Doom, the mother of all pool knowledge".
"Once again", I like that... How 'bout you don't know what I do know! I couldn't resist...
Reminds me of:
"At a fraction of the price..." (but what fraction, 3/2) ?
"Pennies on the dollar..." (how many, 140?)
I'm just making a point. I agree there's a place for kindergarten teachers, first grade
teachers, high school teachers, college professors, and in-house astrophysicist
seminar speakers.
But in almost all cases, the books are available at the library, and/or the information is
out there online. There is a value to "teachers", don't get me wrong, and they should
be compensated, as they provide a service that is needed by the folks who can't
comprehend what they come across in printed material or other media.
But in my mind, to close up a handful of shots, and assign a gimmicky name like
"mother drills" strikes me as an attempt to fool folks into thinking they will get the "holy
grail". And it significantly limits the audience that can further contribute, share, critique,
and improve free knowledge.
I forget the name of FL's "secret" material", something like "the mother of all drills" or something.
EDIT: I was close. "The Drill of Doom, the mother of all pool knowledge".
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whitey2 said:
Well said. Exactly what I was thinking. If they really wanted to learn, everything they need is pretty much just sitting there for free. They think if they learn the mother drill they are going to be one up on everyone.