Mother Drills.. What are they.

[Kevin]

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Once again. You don't know what you don't know. Here I might add

"OPEN MINDS-OPEN DOORS".....SPF=randyg

Took a course from Jerry Briesath, the "dean" of BCA instructers, so it is said. Asked him which instructor I might go to next to better myself. He never said but I am sure as sure can be, he had your name (school, style, and protoges) at the top of his list.

PM if workable, but will be in US Xmas holiday from 25th through DCC, will go. Eastern Kansas based from Xmas through New Years, more flexible early Jan. till Louisville, KY DCC. If you have something going, and TX is not a huge stretch driving from KS to TX to KY for me on the important dates, lets chat. I think my fundamentals and your school need to meet, and I am not afraid to find out what I don't know (or do know but don't actually do every time..) yet.

 

[pooltchr]

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I'm a little guilty of participating in a similar concept however,
when I sometimes refer to a shot in one of Bert Kinister's
videos. I have no financial interest in his endeavors, and
I sometimes refer to a shot he teaches, but the real
value comes from hearing all the background information
concerning the shot. And, that would require watching
the entire video, many times, to acquire the knowledge.

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So what I'm reading is that in order to get the most out of Bert's drills, I should purchase the video and learn the background information. I guess that explains why he just doesn't post his drills on a discussion forum.
I think you have made our point for us. To get the most out of Mother Drills, you need to learn the background support information that comes from the classroom.
Steve

 

[scottycoyote]

"Once again", I like that... How 'bout you don't know what I do know! I couldn't resist...

Reminds me of:

"At a fraction of the price..." (but what fraction, 3/2) ?

"Pennies on the dollar..." (how many, 140?)

I'm just making a point. I agree there's a place for kindergarten teachers, first grade
teachers, high school teachers, college professors, and in-house astrophysicist
seminar speakers.

But in almost all cases, the books are available at the library, and/or the information is
out there online. There is a value to "teachers", don't get me wrong, and they should
be compensated, as they provide a service that is needed by the folks who can't
comprehend what they come across in printed material or other media.

But in my mind, to close up a handful of shots, and assign a gimmicky name like
"mother drills" strikes me as an attempt to fool folks into thinking they will get the "holy
grail". And it significantly limits the audience that can further contribute, share, critique,
and improve free knowledge.

I forget the name of FL's "secret" material", something like "the mother of all drills" or something.

EDIT: I was close. "The Drill of Doom, the mother of all pool knowledge".

well lets be honest.....im sure randy loves teaching, his enthusiasm is transparent and especially when he explains something and his students "get it".......i had several moments like this when i took his school and he honestly looked almost as excited as i was, hes a natural teacher. But he doenst it do it just for the joy, the man is also trying to make a living just like anybody else........but hes not "roping in" anyone when it comes to his class. There has been several azb'ers who have taken cuetechs school and i dont recall a one who said it wasnt worth the money. I personally walked away from his school thinking i got a bargain......625$ for 3 days of school, it works out to be about $26 an hour (really less because they all hung around after school to talk and work with anyone who wanted it). The mother drills are totally useless without the 3 days of school that went with it....because they are used to inforce the things that the school taught you, without that knowledge they wouldnt do a thing for your game. If someone saw the drills without the school they would probably be put off of going, because youd think "how is this going to help my game". There is just too much info to try and explain in a couple posts on a forum, and also, why should he even try? If you want to improve your game, just frickin goto the school, its the best money i ever spent on my pool game. If you want to sit around and think its a scam, thats your option as well, everybody cant be helped.

 

[randyg]

Took a course from Jerry Briesath, the "dean" of BCA instructers, so it is said. Asked him which instructor I might go to next to better myself. He never said but I am sure as sure can be, he had your name (school, style, and protoges) at the top of his list.

PM if workable, but will be in US Xmas holiday from 25th through DCC, will go. Eastern Kansas based from Xmas through New Years, more flexible early Jan. till Louisville, KY DCC. If you have something going, and TX is not a huge stretch driving from KS to TX to KY for me on the important dates, lets chat. I think my fundamentals and your school need to meet, and I am not afraid to find out what I don't know (or do know but don't actually do every time..) yet.

Yes, Jerry is the Dean. This all started with Jerry.

Please email me on my private email at:

randyg@poolschool.com

We will discuss this when you check in....SPF=randyg

 

[Gregg]

well lets be honest.....im sure randy loves teaching, his enthusiasm is transparent and especially when he explains something and his students "get it".......i had several moments like this when i took his school and he honestly looked almost as excited as i was, hes a natural teacher. But he doenst it do it just for the joy, the man is also trying to make a living just like anybody else........but hes not "roping in" anyone when it comes to his class. There has been several azb'ers who have taken cuetechs school and i dont recall a one who said it wasnt worth the money. I personally walked away from his school thinking i got a bargain......625$ for 3 days of school, it works out to be about $26 an hour (really less because they all hung around after school to talk and work with anyone who wanted it). The mother drills are totally useless without the 3 days of school that went with it....because they are used to inforce the things that the school taught you, without that knowledge they wouldnt do a thing for your game. If someone saw the drills without the school they would probably be put off of going, because youd think "how is this going to help my game". There is just too much info to try and explain in a couple posts on a forum, and also, why should he even try? If you want to improve your game, just frickin goto the school, its the best money i ever spent on my pool game. If you want to sit around and think its a scam, thats your option as well, everybody cant be helped.

I just got was recently released from pool school this weekend, and this post is the true essence of how I feel when I read the nonbelievers posts.

It's funny how judgmental people can about the Cuetech schools without every attending one.

At this point, I have a small library of DVDs, Books and tapes like everyone else, and I thought I was doing everything "correctly". Likewise, the school, IMO, teaches stroke "correctly".

But, in reality, as the Scott Lee and Cooper helped me realize, my true stroke was far (my case, very far) off from what I thought was correct.

Even better, they taught me how to correct it, and diagnose when I am not doing what I really want to be doing at the table.

 

[Williebetmore]

I was just wandering what there where...

RD,
I'm nearly positive that they are pool drills; and actually, that's probably enough information.

I have to think that it is NOT the specific drill that is important; but rather the way in which the student evaluates his performance during the drill, and the way in which he uses that information to refine his technique that yields the improvement. There are not any magic drills in my opinion.

I have been given multiple drills by Jerry Briesath and Mark Wilson. During the drills you keep track of your progress by grading each and every stroke in 6 critical areas; stance is correct, bridge is stable throughout the swing with no movement, no elbow drop, tip finishes straight with full follow through, stroke performed with a smooth transition from back to forward (underhand tossing motion), grip pressure is even. I believe that they like you to pay close attention to these critical areas during each and every stroke, each and every drill that you do. Drills done in this manner are extremely valuable.

Of course I'm also suspicious that there are certain drills that can reinforce each of the area's of a sound stroke......maybe I need to find out what these "mother drills" are.....or perhaps the "Drill of Doom" will be all I need to give Efren the 6 and out.

 

[Andrew Manning]

I was just wandering what there where...

I learned them from Scott Lee, and I'm hesitant to describe them in detail online, not because there's any big "secret" to them, or because they are really special drills that can't be learned without paying, but rather because putting them online might make people think that reading the drills is the same as taking the lesson, and it's not. I think the drills would be quite pointless if someone practiced them without a SPF instructor telling them exactly how to practice them, and to fit them into an overall idea of training the stroke, eye-patterns, and routine.

I do feel that some of you are way off track in your thinking about what they are, though, so I'll give an example. One of the drills involves shooting the cue ball directly into a pocket. That's the shot. Clearly this is not going to help your game as a drill alone. The idea of it is not to learn to shoot the CB into the pocket really well, the whole point is the steps you take, both physically and mentally, in the setup and delivery of the shot. The point of the drill is to internalize those steps so that you do them on every shot without even thinking about it.

Does that make sense? The drills really don't have a point (they're too simple to have a point) unless you have the lesson that goes with them, giving you the set of routines and patterns, tailored to you, that you want to train yourself to do.

-Andrew

 

[Gregg]

I learned them from Scott Lee, and I'm hesitant to describe them in detail online, not because there's any big "secret" to them, or because they are really special drills that can't be learned without paying, but rather because putting them online might make people think that reading the drills is the same as taking the lesson, and it's not. I think the drills would be quite pointless if someone practiced them without a SPF instructor telling them exactly how to practice them, and to fit them into an overall idea of training the stroke, eye-patterns, and routine.

I do feel that some of you are way off track in your thinking about what they are, though, so I'll give an example. One of the drills involves shooting the cue ball directly into a pocket. That's the shot. Clearly this is not going to help your game as a drill alone. The idea of it is not to learn to shoot the CB into the pocket really well, the whole point is the steps you take, both physically and mentally, in the setup and delivery of the shot. The point of the drill is to internalize those steps so that you do them on every shot without even thinking about it.

Does that make sense? The drills really don't have a point (they're too simple to have a point) unless you have the lesson that goes with them, giving you the set of routines and patterns, tailored to you, that you want to train yourself to do.

-Andrew

Could not have said it better.

 

[Snorks]

I learned them from Scott Lee, and I'm hesitant to describe them in detail online, not because there's any big "secret" to them, or because they are really special drills that can't be learned without paying, but rather because putting them online might make people think that reading the drills is the same as taking the lesson, and it's not. I think the drills would be quite pointless if someone practiced them without a SPF instructor telling them exactly how to practice them, and to fit them into an overall idea of training the stroke, eye-patterns, and routine.

I do feel that some of you are way off track in your thinking about what they are, though, so I'll give an example. One of the drills involves shooting the cue ball directly into a pocket. That's the shot. Clearly this is not going to help your game as a drill alone. The idea of it is not to learn to shoot the CB into the pocket really well, the whole point is the steps you take, both physically and mentally, in the setup and delivery of the shot. The point of the drill is to internalize those steps so that you do them on every shot without even thinking about it.

Does that make sense? The drills really don't have a point (they're too simple to have a point) unless you have the lesson that goes with them, giving you the set of routines and patterns, tailored to you, that you want to train yourself to do.

-Andrew

Andrew has really hit the nail on the head! Great explanation.

 

[Scott Lee]

I learned them from Scott Lee, and I'm hesitant to describe them in detail online, not because there's any big "secret" to them, or because they are really special drills that can't be learned without paying, but rather because putting them online might make people think that reading the drills is the same as taking the lesson, and it's not. I think the drills would be quite pointless if someone practiced them without a SPF instructor telling them exactly how to practice them, and to fit them into an overall idea of training the stroke, eye-patterns, and routine.

I do feel that some of you are way off track in your thinking about what they are, though, so I'll give an example. One of the drills involves shooting the cue ball directly into a pocket. That's the shot. Clearly this is not going to help your game as a drill alone. The idea of it is not to learn to shoot the CB into the pocket really well, the whole point is the steps you take, both physically and mentally, in the setup and delivery of the shot. The point of the drill is to internalize those steps so that you do them on every shot without even thinking about it.

Does that make sense? The drills really don't have a point (they're too simple to have a point) unless you have the lesson that goes with them, giving you the set of routines and patterns, tailored to you, that you want to train yourself to do.

-Andrew

tap, tap, tap Andrew! The drills themselves are no big "secret", and are not complex at all. How they can be applied by the individual, to help build a solid repeatable stroke is no secret either! There are hundreds of SPF instructors out there to help anyone who's interested!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[Neil]

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[Roy Steffensen]

I guess since I am far far away from any SPF instructor I will just use a couple of hours tomorrow to pocket the cueball, and see if I can make progress on my own on these famous "Mother Drills"

(Did DCP complain about bad rolls on that drill too?) Sorry, couldn't resist

Joke aside, thanks for a good answer Andrew!

 

[Scott Lee]

I guess since I am far far away from any SPF instructor I will just use a couple of hours tomorrow to pocket the cueball, and see if I can make progress on my own on these famous "Mother Drills"

(Did DCP complain about bad rolls on that drill too?) Sorry, couldn't resist

Joke aside, thanks for a good answer Andrew!

Roy...I'm not sure if there are any SPF instructors in Europe or not (you could PM Randyg and he could tell you), but if you ever get over here to the states I'd be happy to give you a quick workout on the Mother Drills!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

since my name was brought up in this thread, i guess i will offer my $.02.

the Mother Drills should benefit players that are conscientious. they should help you ingrain habits that are necessary on every shot - i.e. Mechanics!

will they help someone become a great player? probably not, but i dont believe that is what they are all about folks. they are there to get you started down the right path, or back on path, mechanics wise. and thus your game should improve.

i watched Bob Byrne's Power Workout tape tonight, and before he showed any shots/drills he said four (4) things are needed to become a good player:
1) Lessons
2) Competition
3) Learn
4) Practice

those four steps, with the solid mechanical base that Mother Drills can provide, can help anybody. but again, not necessarily to the Promised Land. however, 8 hours of practice a day will sure help!

DCP

p.s. Scott, again, thanks for taking a chance, and coming to help me.

p.s.s. ok everybody, fire away at me with the insults.