My cooooopy hoppe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absurd to even discuss this silly notion. Leon and every other cue-maker should simply build any design they are inclined to make.

Until someone posts an actual, current example of trademark infringement for any cue design, this is a bunch of esoteric banter.



Matt B.


p.s. Rick..........No pun intended on your company's name.
 
.....www.craftsmanspace.com
there are many design from this site that i seen on big cues but i'll keep it at that.

I just went through this site. Didn't know it existed. Though I haven't seen ALL the big cues ever made, I've seen more than my fair share and haven't seen one using the designs from this site...

Which designs were used and who used them? Please share here or pm...
 
I just went through this site. Didn't know it existed. Though I haven't seen ALL the big cues ever made, I've seen more than my fair share and haven't seen one using the designs from this site...

Which designs were used and who used them? Please share here or pm...
call i will explain you got my ###
 
Monstermash, trust me, I am not even close to the reason this forum isn't as popular as it once was. The cliques that form in this forum are far worse than any I ever dealt with in high school. Leon makes amazing cues but where do you draw the line when you throw cue design theft around? Are we stealing from the first person who did a short splice, is the hoppe ring a trademark? Blackboar isn't the only maker using the scalloped buttcap, I believe Voteri ( spelling ) us3s the same if not very similar design. Blackboars and Voteri's look very similar, nobody is bashing them. Leon, make whatever you want.
Lol. Might be a reason for similar style. 😲
 
you should see whats next...tom, your telling me i can't use 8 floating points in a ebony front...and also i can't use a floret as a decoration at each position of my cue i got my floret from this site www.craftsmanspace.com it's not the same tony didn't send me his program it's free...and the crown cap i've seen it on a lot of different cue makers cues it's like a worn out hooker it's been used and abused...my theory is it's not a design theft...because it's not 100% identical...it might look similar but not so i will build ...ON!!!!
there are many design from this site that i seen on big cues but i'll keep it at that.


If used individually I certainly don't see any problems with using those designs. But when they are all used together in a cue that looks exactly like something Tony has built or would build that's where I I find it distasteful.

You want to use 8 floating points? Have at it! Inlays that are very similar to what Tony uses.... who cares? Crowned buttcap? Sure, why not. But..... add them all together.... Not cool.

As I mentioned in my last post, it could be construed as infringement if it could easily be confused with the original. If someone posted your other cue (the one that looks like a BB) in the gallery and did a "guess the maker" I would bet 100% of the people would have said it was a Black Boar before you posted it here and everyone knew it was your build.

There were hundreds maybe even thousands of other ways you could have designed and built that cue and NOT made it look exactly like a Black Boar. You could have left off the crowned buttcap or did the points differently. But my guess is that you WANTED it to look like a BB. You knew it would draw a lot of attention and of course for the price compared to a BB it would be a no brainer for someone with the funds to purchase it.

Let me ask this, what's the difference between what you did and what the Chinese do with bicycles, watches, and other counterfeit items? They are built to look like the real thing but are different to those who know what to look for. I'll tell you the difference.... it's called precedent. Meaning that no other cue maker has gone so far as to drag another cue maker into court for design theft. And just because it hasn't happened it doesn't mean that it's ok to rip off another cue maker's design that they are expressly known for.

There is a difference between using design cues from another maker and outright stealing the design they are known for. No matter how you try and spin it, you knew EXACTLY what you were doing when you built this cue. You knew before you even took the first turn on the lathe that it was going to look exactly like a BB. But you built it anyway. And that Leon, is the problem.

Just curious, if this was a Dennis Searing cue design that you copied how long do you think it would have taken Dennis to pick up the phone and call his attorney?
 
If used individually I certainly don't see any problems with using those designs. But when they are all used together in a cue that looks exactly like something Tony has built or would build that's where I I find it distasteful.

You want to use 8 floating points? Have at it! Inlays that are very similar to what Tony uses.... who cares? Crowned buttcap? Sure, why not. But..... add them all together.... Not cool.

As I mentioned in my last post, it could be construed as infringement if it could easily be confused with the original. If someone posted your other cue (the one that looks like a BB) in the gallery and did a "guess the maker" I would bet 100% of the people would have said it was a Black Boar before you posted it here and everyone knew it was your build.

There were hundreds maybe even thousands of other ways you could have designed and built that cue and NOT made it look exactly like a Black Boar. You could have left off the crowned buttcap or did the points differently. But my guess is that you WANTED it to look like a BB. You knew it would draw a lot of attention and of course for the price compared to a BB it would be a no brainer for someone with the funds to purchase it.

Let me ask this, what's the difference between what you did and what the Chinese do with bicycles, watches, and other counterfeit items? They are built to look like the real thing but are different to those who know what to look for. I'll tell you the difference.... it's called precedent. Meaning that no other cue maker has gone so far as to drag another cue maker into court for design theft. And just because it hasn't happened it doesn't mean that it's ok to rip off another cue maker's design that they are expressly known for.

There is a difference between using design cues from another maker and outright stealing the design they are known for. No matter how you try and spin it, you knew EXACTLY what you were doing when you built this cue. You knew before you even took the first turn on the lathe that it was going to look exactly like a BB. But you built it anyway. And that Leon, is the problem.

Just curious, if this was a Dennis Searing cue design that you copied how long do you think it would have taken Dennis to pick up the phone and call his attorney?
Tom, carry on with your comments i'll continue to build what ever i want regardless of the repercussion;);)
and that's no joke!!
 
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keep on keeping on you "Sly" monster "Sly" nothing stops my show!! especially witty comments!![/QUOTE said:
That's the best response you can give . Leon makes beautiful cues and I don't think he's ever tried to pass his cues off as anyone else's , hence the title of the thread . I mean almost every cue maker will make a hoppe cue , should they stop ? How about a plain Jane , or bridge points, or damn a basic sneaky Pete. Call them all out !! I mean my cue is based on a Judd cue that I saw in the for sale forum here on az I was to late to get but I liked the design . Leon you keep doing you , making beautiful cues .
 
I like this cue a lot. The only things I would have done if I had ordered this cue would be a fancy set of rings at the joint and collars. I guess you could then call it a Szam/Hoppe copy....errrrr....tribute? lol

It wouldn't matter one bit to me because I would love to own one of Leon's cues no matter what you term it. He does fantastic work and had done no wrong in my book.
 
I like this cue a lot. The only things I would have done if I had ordered this cue would be a fancy set of rings at the joint and collars. I guess you could then call it a Szam/Hoppe copy....errrrr....tribute? lol

It wouldn't matter one bit to me because I would love to own one of Leon's cues no matter what you term it. He does fantastic work and had done no wrong in my book.
My book reads just like yours.
 
Hey Leon if you really want to get them fired up you should do a diamond inlay.


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