My Fargorate progression

iusedtoberich said:
I'm losing faith in the FargoRate in the amateur ranks. I now agree with others that many people are entering bs leagues to keep their rating low, then do well in high entry events.

I just looked through the player list on the digital pool bracket from the $1000 entry 578 I played in last year. I went through half of the 64 players, in order of finish of the tournament, typing each player's name in the app and seeing what their fargorate is today, exactly 12 moths after the tournament. I didn't put in a spreadsheet (I might later), but by eye, the average was something like 10 points higher. I stopped half way through the list. Also a couple of the guys with got a top 3 finish got a top 3 in a later $1000 entry 599, and one of them is in a $500 entry 660 right now (today), and crushing the field thus far.

To @mikepage , I really think you need better transparency.
1: Make everyone's rating public. You mentioned before this was not default due to privacy. But the source date is already all public info. Digitalpool is all public. Cuescore in EU is all public. Challonge is all public. 12 year old weightlifting boy's records are all public (I did WL 5 years ago and the entire national system is all public). If there was someone truly stalking a pool player that entered tournaments, they would have ZERO issue finding them, even if FargoRate never existed. Hello Facebook, that's the #1 way to stalk a pool player.

2: You need to aggregate LMS results so it doesn't say 1-0, 1-0, 1-0, 1-0, 0-1, 0-1, and instead says 4-2. It's impossible to see what happened in the match. That can't be difficult to implement? Your own LMS app is submitting the data to the FargoRate app. Can't it recognize when the data comes from that app and aggregate it?

3: When interrogating a random player's match history, the player's opponents needs their fargorate added to their name. You created and succeeded in a system where all that matters now is "whats your FR?". It doesn't even matter what your name is anymore. Just FR. Yet you are hiding that info from the opponent list. It is visible in my OWN opponent list, but if I want to see someone else's opponent list, it is missing.

4: There has got to be some way to analyze the players to see who is dumping league matches and doing well in high entry events. People point to Solato all the time, but I'd argue it's way easier to do it in a league. Solato requires conspiracy by two players. League is just "I got drunk and was hitting on a broad and played like crap".

TD's need more tools to analyze players that are manipulating their rating. Scratch that.... EVERYONE needs more tools to do that, TD's, LO, AND other players.
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Love you brother. You're great for the game. Just play. No handicaps and work against the competition.
 
I got to vegas today (Thursday) at 6pm vegas time. The tournament starts Saturday. I wanted to originally come Wed to practice on the tables more, but I booked the ticket last week right before the Philly snow storm, and I didn't know if the snow would be shoveled by then.

I was going to go to Griffs to warm up, but they had a chip tournament tonight that would take all the 7' tables.

I went to the brand new room Walter's Billiards instead. I got there around 10pm, and it was packed with a waiting list. I had a short wait, about 20 min. This place has the formula. Pretty girls in sexy clothing as the staff. A manager. And customers both boys and lots of girls banging the balls into the rails, drinking, and having a blast. They also have proper Litman lighting on each table, and the room does not look like a hospital operation room! The staff walk each customer to the table, and pull the triangle rack out for them. I can't tell you how many times I've shown bangers where the rack is on a Diamond. Good for them for doing that extra step. Oh, ALL the Diamonds had the wire ball tray for one pocket/banks, even the 7'! That thing should be standard on every Diamond.

I practiced about 1.5 hrs. Straight short shots. Nothing hard. Get my confidence up. Get my stroke straight. I felt great from the get go. Which is really good, because all this week I was in action in Philly and played like dog. Then I shot 1 rail and 2 rail position shots, a rack each position. I also invented (to me) a drill accidentally on the spot. Shoot random cut shots along the long rail, sending the CB to the 2nd diamond on the long rail (on the other side of the side pocket), to play position for a ball on the end rail. The object is to always touch that 2nd diamond no matter the cut angle, and bounce out a hair. Takes away the corner scratch, and keeps a good angle for the ball on the end rail, no matter where it is. Then I threw balls on the table for a bunch, and ran out most of them.

A group of 3 bangers called me over and asked if I could teach them how to play. So I went over and showed them a few shots and how to make a bridge.

I was the only player there. 20 tables, half 7', half 9'. But on my way out, there were 4 players on the 2 tight 9' that were pretty good. One I'd estimate was a 650. The rest 500's. They were playing 10 ball. I watched them for a bit while waiting for my uber.

Speaking of Uber, there are driverless taxis here. Brand new. A few are at my hotel. I might try one. Its free, because they are in testing.

The hotel I'm at is the Luxor. It's an Egyptian pyramid. The elevator goes at an angle, parallel to the pyramid sides.

There is a last minute warm-up tournament tomorrow at noon. Its 16 man, 100 entry, single elimination race to 7. I was on the standby list, and got in.

I went for 350 in the calcutta in the main event. I'll buy half myself. The total was 19k. The high bid was for 1210 on Paul McCaffrey, NV FR 557. Makes no sense he is 10 under the cap and went for way more than anyone else. Next highest was Todd Dilley, AZ FR 558 who went for 800. Maybe these guys are really 650's and stalled for a year? IDK. They both also bought themselves, so might have just been dumb with the bidding. I didn't make a single bid, and just knew I'd buy half myself.

Oh, Melinda Huang is in the event. I know she was a member here years ago, on an infamous AZB match;) (before Barton vs Lou). I can't remember if she's the one who stiffed, or did the stiffing.
 
I tied for 3/4 in the warm up, won 150. I was up 6-3 (race to 7) to get to the finals and my opponent came back from there. I felt I played really good the whole tournament though, and feel good for the main event.

The main event starts Sat, I play my first match at 12:30pm vegas time. There will be a stream on one of the 5 tables. I'll link if any of my matches are played on it. The tournament is spread across 2 bars, one has 5 tables, one has 4.

Main event bracket:
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I'm playing the highest rated player at 572 (I'm 570) in the event next. She was streaming (or recording, IDK...) her last match with her own camera, so probably will be again. I'll try to get a link if we are not on the main streaming table.
 
iusedtoberich said:
If I'm on stream at any point today, it will be at this link. Table RR1 is the TV table. My match starts at 12:30pm western time.
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Good luck to you. I happened to watch the second match on the stream link you shared, the Joshua Manuel (548) guy played like at least a 650 LOL. The way he cueing, his cue ball speed, his position play, his thoughts etc. is unlikely a 548. Pretty much he ran out his first 3 games, there were some back and forth in the middle and his opponent got lucky and got some games, dude basically broke and ran out last few games to win 8-4. You just need to watch the first few mins of the match to know who gonna win, his opponent shot like a true 540ish.

Well... 🤣

I'll watch some more tonight when I have more time and will report back my thoughts...
 
july9x said:
Good luck to you. I happened to watch the second match on the stream link you shared, the Joshua Manuel (548) guy played like at least a 650 LOL. The way he cueing, his cue ball speed, his position play, his thoughts etc. is unlikely a 548. Pretty much he ran out his first 3 games, there were some back and forth in the middle and his opponent got lucky and got some games, dude basically broke and ran out last few games to win 8-4. You just need to watch the first few mins of the match to know who gonna win, his opponent shot like a true 540ish.

Well... 🤣

I'll watch some more tonight when I have more time and will report back my thoughts...
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Yeah, I’m getting the same vibe. My first opponent I think was 600 or so. He outshot me a lot. I was lucky to go hill hill.
 
I'm out.

I was down 6-1or2 and came back and won 7-6.
Next match the guy beat me 7-1. He was running out like water.

I had the second highest rating in the event, and I think I was mid pack in actual skill. IDK if I will do this again. Probably better off playing Open events and donating to pros.

Final tally, and my clocking of them if I were to gamble 50/50 not have an edge, based on one set. Clocking based on what I saw with my eyes, not the score: (edit weight is 9 ball spots, even though the tournament was 10 ball).

Match 1 (561): Lose 7-8. I need the 8.
Match 2 (572): Win 7-2. She needs the last 2.
Match 3 (536): Win 7-6. He needs the 8.
Match 4 (548): Lose 1-7. I need the 7.

My tournament rating: 547, minus 23.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
I'm out.

I was down 6-1or2 and came back and won 7-6.
Next match the guy beat me 7-1. He was running out like water.

I had the second highest rating in the event, and I think I was mid pack in actual skill. IDK if I will do this again. Probably better off playing Open events and donating to pros.

Final tally, and my clocking of them if I were to gamble 50/50 not have an edge, based on one set. Clocking based on what I saw with my eyes, not the score: (edit weight is 9 ball spots, even though the tournament was 10 ball).

Match 1 (561): Lose 7-8. I need the 8.
Match 2 (572): Win 7-2. She needs the last 2.
Match 3 (536): Win 7-6. He needs the 8.
Match 4 (548): Lose 1-7. I need the 7.

My tournament rating: 547, minus 23.
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Good try, I want to be like you one day fly to Vegas for the weekend to play a $1,000 entry Fargo capped tournament, knowing there are a few guys and gals that playing at least 100 fargo point better than me in there.

july9x said:
Good luck to you. I happened to watch the second match on the stream link you shared, the Joshua Manuel (548) guy played like at least a 650 LOL. The way he cueing, his cue ball speed, his position play, his thoughts etc. is unlikely a 548. Pretty much he ran out his first 3 games, there were some back and forth in the middle and his opponent got lucky and got some games, dude basically broke and ran out last few games to win 8-4. You just need to watch the first few mins of the match to know who gonna win, his opponent shot like a true 540ish.

Well... 🤣

I'll watch some more tonight when I have more time and will report back my thoughts...
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Joke a side, here we go again, Joshua Manuel (548) my favorite 650 FR horse from yesterday is playing right now live and crushing everyone LOL, he ain't lost a match yet. I don't think anyone that are truly under 567 FR can beat him, will see 🤣

(if you watch this later, about 8:00:00 hour mark into the video, 6th match from beginning)
 
july9x said:
Good try, I want to be like you one day fly to Vegas for the weekend to play a $1,000 entry Fargo capped tournament, knowing there are a few guys and gals that playing at least 100 fargo point better than me in there.




Joke a side, here we go again, Joshua Manuel (548) my favorite 650 FR horse from yesterday is playing right now live and crushing everyone LOL, he ain't lost a match yet. I don't think anyone that are truly under 567 FR can beat him, will see 🤣

(if you watch this later, about 8:00:00 hour mark into the video, 6th match from beginning)
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It's so funny, the 2 guys I thought were quite strong from watching them (not one you just mentioned, I hadn't seen him in person), ended up playing each other. I was cracking up that one was going to knock the other out.
 
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