My First Red Rep Point....Thanks A Lot

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skeeterpro

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See my red rep point, I got this from JAM for making a true statement about her boyfriend that she didn't like. Whether she likes it or not, the fact still remains there are numerous players accross the country that can and will give KM a run for his money now and back when he was in his prime. Just because they are not known name players does not mean they can't play at the highest level. Some very talented players have chosen to do something else with their life other than pursue a career in pool which is generally not fiancially rewarding. One such individual challenged KM to some bar table 8 ball and after KM hadn't touched his cue in eight games he promptly quit. KM realized very quickly during the time he was watching this kid play that he was not going to beat this kid playing 8 ball on the small table. I saw this take place and so did a guy they called The Mountain Man. Shortly after, the kid and the Mt. Man became traveling mates. I know the kid who is now about 33 would love to play Keith again...question is would Keith want to play him.

On the thread that awarded me the red rep, many people have posted that Keith used to give top pros the 7. Do you actually think that giving the 7 to another champion is a huge spot? I mean good grief if a top player gets to the 7 he is going to get the 8 and 9 more times than not. A top player can also take those spot balls out of the game early then you're back to the 9 again. Ya sure Keith was and is a great player but that does not mean he can't be beaten. There are games and matches out there he can't win all the time and some matchups he'll never win.

Anyway I think it's BS that just because a person disagrees with another person or thinks there being slightly negative about some subject matter they can give out a red rep. I thought this was an open forum where one could express his or her opinions.
 
So when you hear legendary players such as Sigel, Rempe, Mizerak, Hall, Varner, etc say that Keith was nearly unbeatable during his reign of terror, do you think they are lying or exaggerating?

There are COUNTLESS great players that were around back then, and all of them will admit that Keith was nearly unbeatable when he got in his groove. Why would all of these people make up one big lie? If so many people say the same thing, there's got to be some truth in it....
 
skeeterpro said:
...I thought this was an open forum where one could express his or her opinions.
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It is an open forum, but there is one kind of post that does seem to pop up a lot, and that is the "let's knock a pro" or "let's knock a legend" kind of post. For some reason, the internet draws out people that get there kicks playing that game. In fact, those guys have driven away most of the pros and legends that have taken a chance and posted here. It sounds like JAM interpreted your post that way. I never read your post, so I'm only speculating. In my view, the "let's knock a legend" posts are the worst thing, because they drive the legends away.

On the other hand, people like to hear first hand stories about great players. Maybe your post came through sounding more like a knocking intent than an entertaining story about a time, when you were there, that a hot local (or whoever he was) happened to top Keith. Everybody loses once in in a while. Keith's record over many years against top players speaks for itself, even if you add up all of his loses, and throw in a personal wart or two :) He was/is a great player and one of the most entertaining characters in pool, and deserves our respect.

If the same story is told, but framed respectfully, no doubt it would get a different reception...
 
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Yep, I'm in the same boat.. getting a new green dot is among life's simple pleasures to me that I definitely look forward to. I'm pretty happy about that though, and it's certainly nothing to be ashamed of.. I think it says a lot about our place in life where we can be concerned over such trivial things!

On the flipside, the reds hurt too.. especially when thrown around frivolously. Thankfully, they don't hurt the standing too much, and can easily be outweighed. As a smart man on this board said to me recently, you can't please all of the people all of the time.
 
skeeterpro said:
See my red rep point, I got this from JAM for making a true statement about her boyfriend that she didn't like. Whether she likes it or not, the fact still remains there are numerous players accross the country that can and will give KM a run for his money now and back when he was in his prime. Just because they are not known name players does not mean they can't play at the highest level. Some very talented players have chosen to do something else with their life other than pursue a career in pool which is generally not fiancially rewarding. One such individual challenged KM to some bar table 8 ball and after KM hadn't touched his cue in eight games he promptly quit. KM realized very quickly during the time he was watching this kid play that he was not going to beat this kid playing 8 ball on the small table. I saw this take place and so did a guy they called The Mountain Man. Shortly after, the kid and the Mt. Man became traveling mates. I know the kid who is now about 33 would love to play Keith again...question is would Keith want to play him.

On the thread that awarded me the red rep, many people have posted that Keith used to give top pros the 7. Do you actually think that giving the 7 to another champion is a huge spot? I mean good grief if a top player gets to the 7 he is going to get the 8 and 9 more times than not. A top player can also take those spot balls out of the game early then you're back to the 9 again. Ya sure Keith was and is a great player but that does not mean he can't be beaten. There are games and matches out there he can't win all the time and some matchups he'll never win.

Anyway I think it's BS that just because a person disagrees with another person or thinks there being slightly negative about some subject matter they can give out a red rep. I thought this was an open forum where one could express his or her opinions.
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First of all, I know what incident you're talking about, in Las Vegas playing 8-ball. Oh, boy! You mean to tell me that somebody can't beat you on a bar table playing 8-ball? I've been beat by girls playing 8-ball on a bar table, lots of times. LOL

All they were talking about in that other thread is when I was in my prime, that I was almost unbeatable, and that was the facts in the late '70s and early '80s. When it came time to come to California where you could come and hustle pool, all the champions went the other way because I broke every one of them. And there wasn't any one of them I couldn't spot. Then I proceeded to go to every champion's hometown, looking to bust them as well.

When I went looking to play a champion, I wanted to play them 10 ahead for 5 or 10,000 a set, put up for two sets, and play until you drop. Let's not forget one thing. When I was doing my playing, I was playing on a 4-by-8 with a big cueball and a 3-1/2 by 7 with a big cueball playing 2-shot/roll-out where you could break a person down. Well, when they came out with the one-foul/ball-in-hand, my interest in pool went to nothing because now all of a sudden, best players didn't win. It took a lot of the spunk out of the game. And you know why they came up with the one-foul/ball-in-hand? Because it would give the weaker players a chance.

I don't know how you get off just coming up with one incident. If everybody was to come up with just one incident of a loss, everybody would be a loser.

I wish you the best of luck on these forums. I hope I don't have to wake up to some other BS about me. I sort of understand why there isn't much participation from the pros. Who needs this?

I do want to thank the certain ones that did stick up for me. Hopefully, there will be something good to say my next visit to AzBilliards, but I kind of doubt it. AzBilliards may be a lot of things to a lot of people, but to me, it's like a nightmare. It just keeps getting worse and worse. ;)
 
Keith McCready said:
First of all, I know what incident you're talking about, in Las Vegas playing 8-ball. Oh, boy! You mean to tell me that somebody can't beat you on a bar table playing 8-ball? I've been beat by girls playing 8-ball on a bar table, lots of times. LOL

All they were talking about in that other thread is when I was in my prime, that I was almost unbeatable, and that was the facts in the late '70s and early '80s. When it came time to come to California where you could come and hustle pool, all the champions went the other way because I broke every one of them. And there wasn't any one of them I couldn't spot. Then I proceeded to go to every champion's hometown, looking to bust them as well.

When I went looking to play a champion, I wanted to play them 10 ahead for 5 or 10,000 a set, put up for two sets, and play until you drop. Let's not forget one thing. When I was doing my playing, I was playing on a 4-by-8 with a big cueball and a 3-1/2 by 7 with a big cueball playing 2-shot/roll-out where you could break a person down. Well, when they came out with the one-foul/ball-in-hand, my interest in pool went to nothing because now all of a sudden, best players didn't win. It took a lot of the spunk out of the game. And you know why they came up with the one-foul/ball-in-hand? Because it would give the weaker players a chance.

I don't know how you get off just coming up with one incident. If everybody was to come up with just one incident of a loss, everybody would be a loser.

I wish you the best of luck on these forums. I hope I don't have to wake up to some other BS about me. I sort of understand why there isn't much participation from the pros. Who needs this?

I do want to thank the certain ones that did stick up for me. Hopefully, there will be something good to say my next visit to AzBilliards, but I kind of doubt it. AzBilliards may be a lot of things to a lot of people, but to me, it's like a nightmare. It just keeps getting worse and worse. ;)
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Keith it's good to see you posting. Anyone that says you didn't break everybody back in your prime... obviously wasn't around back then or hasn't heard the numerous other top players from that era say the same.

You are well respected on this board by the vast majority, but unfortunately, there will always be people that need to build their own ego by tearing others down. Take care.
 
Thanks to Keith

Thanks to Keith for posting and being one of our game's most interesting characters. I hope this doesn't ruin anything for you here. Believe me, the majority of this forum respects the kind of talent and effort it takes to play that well.
 
Hey Keith. Here is something good for / about you. I reference you all the time along with bustamante because people knock my goofy stroke. I always say look at Keith McCready and Bustamante. Tell me again how you "have" to have the perfect robotic arm to play extremely well.

You would be surprised how many idiots dont know about you and go watch some of your matches and come in a week or so later and say "wow ok.. that guy shoots weird but hes f*ckin good!"

:)
 
Well said Dead..
Every board has it's bottom-feeders, though this one has far less than most I've encountered. It would be a huge loss for the pros to stop posting, as those are the posts that really make my day. The only upside in the waning popularity of pool is the ability to converse with the greats like Keith, or step out of their way at the local hall on a lucky day.
 
Don't Sweat The Petty Stuff

Don't pet the sweaty stuff...... imo
Doug



Edited to add: 40 million American poolplayers won't know what's said on AZB.
96% of those that read this thread will disagree with the original poster (OP).
1% 'might' agree
1% won't have a clue what's going on
1% will misread it or fail to comprehend, but voice their opinion anyway
1% will be watching American Idol

*All results may vary by + or - 10% imo :)



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Keith McCready said:
First of all, I know what incident you're talking about, in Las Vegas playing 8-ball. Oh, boy! You mean to tell me that somebody can't beat you on a bar table playing 8-ball? I've been beat by girls playing 8-ball on a bar table, lots of times. LOL

All they were talking about in that other thread is when I was in my prime, that I was almost unbeatable, and that was the facts in the late '70s and early '80s. When it came time to come to California where you could come and hustle pool, all the champions went the other way because I broke every one of them. And there wasn't any one of them I couldn't spot. Then I proceeded to go to every champion's hometown, looking to bust them as well.

When I went looking to play a champion, I wanted to play them 10 ahead for 5 or 10,000 a set, put up for two sets, and play until you drop. Let's not forget one thing. When I was doing my playing, I was playing on a 4-by-8 with a big cueball and a 3-1/2 by 7 with a big cueball playing 2-shot/roll-out where you could break a person down. Well, when they came out with the one-foul/ball-in-hand, my interest in pool went to nothing because now all of a sudden, best players didn't win. It took a lot of the spunk out of the game. And you know why they came up with the one-foul/ball-in-hand? Because it would give the weaker players a chance.

I don't know how you get off just coming up with one incident. If everybody was to come up with just one incident of a loss, everybody would be a loser.

I wish you the best of luck on these forums. I hope I don't have to wake up to some other BS about me. I sort of understand why there isn't much participation from the pros. Who needs this?

I do want to thank the certain ones that did stick up for me. Hopefully, there will be something good to say my next visit to AzBilliards, but I kind of doubt it. AzBilliards may be a lot of things to a lot of people, but to me, it's like a nightmare. It just keeps getting worse and worse. ;)
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You're still a champion in my book! Hold your head up and be proud of what you've accomplished. Good luck in what ever you do!..... BigJohn
 
Keith McCready said:
it's like a nightmare. It just keeps getting worse and worse. ;)
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Man, where have I heard that before? It just rings a bell.

Keith, I agree the one-shot foul rule has really elevated the game of some mediocre players. Bring back "push-out" pool.
 
The stories about Keither put the major Ether on folks playing pool in the 70s are well documented skeeterpro. Many many players and posters here on AZB have vouched for the fact that McCready busted all the champions in the 1970s, especially on the small track where he was king. For you to come on here and say that lots of folks could beat him in his prime runs very much against what just about everyone who was actually THERE and SAW him play back then. Were YOU there? If you were not, how can you say such things?

I can see JAM giving you negative rep, sounds to me like you were talking shit and got called on it.
 
skeeterpro said:
Anyway I think it's BS that just because a person disagrees with another person or thinks there being slightly negative about some subject matter they can give out a red rep. I thought this was an open forum where one could express his or her opinions.
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It just so happens that this rep thing works similar to how things work in the real world. It is ok to disagree, but you have to be mindful of your approach, wording, etc.

Mentioning names and pointing fingers is something that will affect your credability, as well. This perticular user is no stranger to AZB. Even if you are the one who is right, there will be people who will think that you are out of line. Just be careful, that's all.
 
Keith,

Hope you and Jennie can make it up for the Ocean State. It's been a while.

Koop
 
skeeterpro said:
I thought this was an open forum where one could express his or her opinions.
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Yup, that's right.

But, by the same token, some posters invite abuse. It would be impolite of other members not to provide it.:D
 
The only person that I saw beat KM was Vincent Lauria in 1986. I think someone named Grady Seasons was in the room too. ;)
 
Hey Keith

If you ever come down to the VA Open in Richmond VA. at the Playing Field Quitecoolguy will buy you and JAM a round hehehe
 
The original post that started all this people were stating that km was unbeatable. Skeeterpro pointed out a incident where this wasn't true. I agree he shouldn't have gotten a red for it. I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact that archer,strickland,varner,siegle,km,hall or any of the other greats of the time earned their reputations the old fashioned way. THEY BEAT PEOPLE FOR IT. All the aboved named stars have had a match that they wished went the other way, but if we didn't lose matches we are supposed to win then where would we be as players. I also agree there are many very talented players that have never pursued a carrer in pool for whatever reason. Keith was and never will be considered a great tournament player. It wasn't his speed. There is a tremendous difference in tournament play and cash game action. Keith was probably one of the best, but he wasn't unbeatable. Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Roger Fedeer all of them are the best without question, but not unbeatable. I know some of the greatest matches ever played were done so without much if any hype no cameras no espn just two players trying to knock each others brains out and take the cash. Where have the good days gone.
 
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