My thoughts on my new cloth (ProForm)

Cdryden

Pool Addict
Silver Member
Well, I got my cloth in the mail and put it on Thursday night. It looks great. I took my time and wasn't in any hurry. I found the side pocket fold was easy, but the corners were a little more difficult to get wrinkle free. But after a little trial and error I got them to come out just fine.
One thing I can say for sure about the heavier ounce worsted cloths is that they are harder to do the rails than the lighter woolen cloths. I used the euro blue ProForm 23 oz worsted cloth. It doesn't stretch allot but I was still able to get the cloth extremely tight on the table. It still shows ball burn marks, but I have yet to find a cloth that doesn't.
I play quite a bit of pool on my table (average 20 hours a week) so I am anxious to see how the cloth holds up. My old cloth was Championship Invitational and I had it on for two years. I put it through allot of abuse and it did ok, the worst thing about it is that I wore a gully along the rails and it wouldn't roll true after awhile. It was worth the money but definitely not a quality cloth.
The ProForm cloth so far seems to be a excellent alternative to Simonis for a cheaper price. I wish they had the same color blue as Simonis but the euro blue is still nice. I have a swath of Simonis 860 HR and compared it to the ProForm and they are close but not exactly the same. The 860 HR is heavier and a bit better quality. As far as play goes I honestly cant say that one out preforms the other yet. I have played on Simonis allot and it plays excellent. I don't have that much time on the ProForm cloth yet but so far it plays about the same. It's fast but not as fast as Gorina 2000. I will post back after a month or two of play and let you know if it still preforms well. When I get home I will put up a picture of the table.

All in all I am glad I installed it myself but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone else unless your like me and enjoy doing it yourself! Saving the money was nice but a pro could have done it allot faster.
 

poolfitkids

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Well, I got my cloth in the mail and put it on Thursday night. It looks great. I took my time and wasn't in any hurry. I found the side pocket fold was easy, but the corners were a little more difficult to get wrinkle free. But after a little trial and error I got them to come out just fine.
One thing I can say for sure about the heavier ounce worsted cloths is that they are harder to do the rails than the lighter woolen cloths. I used the euro blue ProForm 23 oz worsted cloth. It doesn't stretch allot but I was still able to get the cloth extremely tight on the table. It still shows ball burn marks, but I have yet to find a cloth that doesn't.
I play quite a bit of pool on my table (average 20 hours a week) so I am anxious to see how the cloth holds up. My old cloth was Championship Invitational and I had it on for two years. I put it through allot of abuse and it did ok, the worst thing about it is that I wore a gully along the rails and it wouldn't roll true after awhile. It was worth the money but definitely not a quality cloth.
The ProForm cloth so far seems to be a excellent alternative to Simonis for a cheaper price. I wish they had the same color blue as Simonis but the euro blue is still nice. I have a swath of Simonis 860 HR and compared it to the ProForm and they are close but not exactly the same. The 860 HR is heavier and a bit better quality. As far as play goes I honestly cant say that one out preforms the other yet. I have played on Simonis allot and it plays excellent. I don't have that much time on the ProForm cloth yet but so far it plays about the same. It's fast but not as fast as Gorina 2000. I will post back after a month or two of play and let you know if it still preforms well. When I get home I will put up a picture of the table.

All in all I am glad I installed it myself but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone else unless your like me and enjoy doing it yourself! Saving the money was nice but a pro could have done it allot faster.

Curious did you staple or glue? If stapled did you have much problems with stretch shadows?
 

Cdryden

Pool Addict
Silver Member
I did both, i sprayed 3m Super 77 on the edges of the end of the table and stapled it also. No stretch shadows at all.
 

Cdryden

Pool Addict
Silver Member
yeah, I figured better safe than sorry. I'm sure it was probably overkill but I would rather have it and not need it rather than the other way around.

After reading back through my original post i realized that it sounded like I was saying ProForm was as good as Simonis I just wanted to clarify that I dont think it is as good as Simonis. But at almost half the price it's a much better buy for my money. Will I still think that a year from now? Who knows, but I bet I will still be happy with the cloth.
 

Dartman

Well-known member
Silver Member
yeah, I figured better safe than sorry. I'm sure it was probably overkill but I would rather have it and not need it rather than the other way around.

After reading back through my original post i realized that it sounded like I was saying ProForm was as good as Simonis I just wanted to clarify that I dont think it is as good as Simonis. But at almost half the price it's a much better buy for my money. Will I still think that a year from now? Who knows, but I bet I will still be happy with the cloth.

I think you will be satisfied with it. JMO
 

ROB.M

:)
Silver Member
cloth

I have installed pro form cloth,cut it to size, ripped rails sections to fit and there is nothing like the real thing "simonis"...I can tell by the way it rips and frays what kind of cloth it is...I'm not down talking the cloth because you pay for what get when it comes to billiards cloth and supplies, the person you buy it from is always gonna tell you that its great stuff no matter what your choice is...there is a little marketing thing that's called money'"profit".. Velocity,aramith just a few to name have came n gone with great profits' but they are what they are' discount cloths....in the end you will just have wished you got simonis because if your buying discounted worsted cloths because you didn't want to pay for the premium cloth.. but your after the play ability the simonis brings to the table, and go off what the person selling it to says.. your just cheating your self out of what your after."Premium cloth".I'm not spiting or throwing stones, I'm just informing the pool table owner that wants good results for many years to come..
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Rob.M
 

Cdryden

Pool Addict
Silver Member
fair enough but I definitely dont feel cheated right now and I doubt I will down the road but time will tell.
 

vincett

Member
My table got installed with pro form as well. There are visible ribs and stretches that I can see, and it also affects the balls when rolling very slowly to a stop. I was told by those folks that it is common because the balls would be rolling to a stop, and not a regular speed. If it was regular play speed then it would be abnormal.

I guess next time when I change clothes, it would be simonis pro
 

jtompilot

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
My table got installed with pro form as well. There are visible ribs and stretches that I can see, and it also affects the balls when rolling very slowly to a stop. I was told by those folks that it is common because the balls would be rolling to a stop, and not a regular speed. If it was regular play speed then it would be abnormal.

I guess next time when I change clothes, it would be simonis pro
Pics?
 

rexus31

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Why not go with Simonis? What’s the cost difference? In a home setting at 20 hours a week, Simonis should last 4-5 years.
 

Sheldon

dontneednostinkintitle
Silver Member
I've installed Proline many times, it's decent cloth and much cheaper than Simonis. It lasts a long time and plays just fine. I do prefer Simonis, and have it on my tables, but Proline is about the best budget option I've seen. It plays and lasts better than predator cloth, and they want premium price for that.
 

vincett

Member
Was going to say it might be worse the next round
That is why I am hesitant to ask them to do anything atm. I found some mechanic off Facebook and he would charge $600 to install new felts, shimming the pockets further, reveling and applying Bondo. The local store used beeswax only. The price for simonis 860 is another $490 or so
 

GoldCrown

Pool players have more balls
Gold Member
Silver Member
That is why I am hesitant to ask them to do anything atm. I found some mechanic off Facebook and he would charge $600 to install new felts, shimming the pockets further, reveling and applying Bondo. The local store used beeswax only. The price for simonis 860 is another $490 or so
Research them thoroughly or you get the same thing. Most installers are hackers that enjoy setting up for bangers. Please take your time and get references maybe from here..not from them.
 
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