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Dan White said:
That's something I found rather amusing if I can be so bold to comment on. In one of Stan's videos he shoots a shot using ghost ball estimation. He puts his bridge hand on the table and kind of bounces it around as if he is having trouble finding the right spot to put his hand, like searching for a quarter under the couch. C'mon who's he kidding?... There is no estimation when you learn ghost ball. If you work at ghost ball for as long as it seems you need to work on CTE (has JB finally learned CTE yet?) you will know exactly how to aim the shot without thinking about it.
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I've never used GB so i would be fidgeting around also trying to use it.
 
Dan White said:
I must have missed the post where somebody explained how you can get the same visual (CTE ETA) from two different starting positions (ie, near ghost ball starting position). I think it was mohrt who came close to an actual explanation when he said after awhile it just starts to look like the same visual. I may have that wrong because the explanations are so difficult to follow. Can you help me out by just reposting what you consider to be an answer (I'm serious)?

As far as learning the system, what did I get wrong when I posted:
What is so hard about visualizing CTE and ETA, getting down on the shot from that position without moving the head sideways, placing the tip and bridge 1/2 tip offset, and then pivoting to CCB?

Here's a clear, straightforward explanation of the ghost ball method:
First set up a cut shot at any reasonable angle. Place a ball frozen to the object ball so that that placed ball is on the line from the object ball to the pocket (in other words, freeze the two balls so they point to the pocket). Go to the cue ball and get down on the shot so that the cue ball is pointing at that frozen ball. That is your aim point. Remove the frozen ball and keep that image in mind so that the cue ball replaces that ball. You will find that the object ball will miss fat due to throw. You will have to hit balls slightly thinner than the ghost ball tells you until you get a natural feel for throw. Eventually your brain will take the throw into account and the ghost ball aim point will send the object ball into the pocket.

Why can't we have the same explanation of how you can see the same CTE visuals from two different starting positions? Is the answer really to just keep looking at it and eventually everything will look like a CTE ETA visual?
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Dan,

The reason You, PJ, Satori, 8 pack Anthony, I & others can not get "IT" to work on purely an objective basis is because the balls will NOT present themselves differently to us when they are in different positions on the table.

For us & others they present themselves exactly the same one to another regardless of where they are on the table just as the sciences of physics & geometry explain the LAWS of NATURE. Hence the CTE line is exactly the same as are the Edge to Lines & hence when WE get to the position where WE can be see both simultaneously the 'perception' is exactly the same & WE are on the same spot & hence when WE make the precisely defined 1/2 tip pivot WE get the same outcome angle for the shot & NOT the 25 or more different angles that 'THEY' say that they get.

The reason that they can say that "IT" works 'objectively' for 'THEM'' is because they have a perverted use of the term objectively & objective. as has been evidenced numerous times by many inapplicable 'analogies' & 'explanations'. That is why they can get a different subjective perception & still say that it is objective. They are misusing the term in this application.

mohrt & oldmanatc & others just are shooting well while using the process & don't really know exactly what is going on at the 'WHY LEVEL' & they then just assume that since they are having success, then it 'must' be 'working' as described. They're innocent... at least to some degree.

I've even backed off of discussions with mohrt twice now even though he was sincerely trying to help me to understand HOW it works. I did so because, as do all of their attempts, they end... when a question or two is asked for which they have no answer & the response is then one of your 3 'options' as you have outlined...

but the main reason is because I realized that IF I were to burst the placebo bubble, then he might loose the ability of playing well that he has obtained.

"IT" & opening the hood to get down to the real & true workings of it is a precarious situation. How many has it helped, regardless of the reason vs how many will waste much time with it due to the inaccurate description & the pursuit of that inaccurate description.

The subconscious mind is an amazing entity & as you've said it can & will work rather well even with an invisible ghost ball. THAT FACT is what many seem to ignore when they consider the question of whether or not it's core functioning attribute is objectivity.

So... they toe the line of the inaccurate description because that is the better road for them to take as it is more comforting for them to have the 'tool' of such a 'system'. They do not want to lose the 'gold mine' that they have bought into even if it is a mine of 'fools gold'. People generally do NOT like change & revelations can be both a good & 'bad' thing.

Fools Gold can be just as valuable as Real Gold as long as there are those that will buy it at the same price.

There could be a million such 'believers' & that would still not make the description accurate. That is another fact that they fail to realize. Generally accepted is just that... something accepted, even if false. It just means 'accepted' by the majority. It does NOT mean that what is accepted by them is true.

Best To Ya.
 
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cookie man said:
No not what i said. Seems people keep comparing shot 1 to shot 5 and
sighting eta and ctel the same. Each shot is unique. Approach them like they are. Shot 1 really has nothing to do with shot 5. You wont understand because you've never bothered to learn how the visuals work. Forget shot 5 and just learn how the visuals work for shot 1.
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OK so I know how to sight the visuals. It's not that hard to get to a head position where the CTE looks good and the ETA looks good. Let's get past that. What does "approach [each shot] like they are unique" mean?
 
Neil said:
Well, Rick, I was hoping for a change, but you performed just as expected. When confronted with what you know to be the truth, instead of manning up and admitting it, you instead accuse me of attacking you and then proceed to call me names and even state that a moderator has called me names in the hopes of that somehow bolstering your statement.

You obviously spent no time thinking about what I wrote. But, instead only spent time trying to find ways to dismiss the truth. You even misquote the Bible in your feeble attempt to alter the truth. Shame on you.

Your comments on why I was wrong are not even very well thought out at all. In fact, the are amazingly poorly thought out and ridiculous. Such as you stating that if a number of people are told to stand on the APPROXIMATE ghost ball line, some will not be on the actual ghost ball line. Well, DUH!!! I didn't state for them to be on the exact line, so of course most will not be on the exact line. Therefore, if they shot, most would miss.

Saying that is not objective, only showcases that you will reach to any low of understanding just to try and make your case. If you told ten people to go stand behind the car, that would be an objective statement. Yet, not all ten would be standing in the exact same spot. No difference in the objectivity of that statement and standing app. on the ghost ball line. As you well know, but will not ever admit because then you would have to admit the truth which you are no longer capable of.

Being Christmas, even though all you deserved was a lump of coal, I gave you the truth. Merry Christmas. The fact that you want to complain about it and piss all over it is your problem.
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John 11:25

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...25.htm&usg=AFQjCNFMFRbzqDztH99gnFGR5DN61sh20Q
 
cookie man said:
...you've never bothered to learn how the visuals work.
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You aren't really interested in how the visuals work - if you were you might actually try to talk about it. You see this topic as a war, not as a discussion.

I think maybe you guys are afraid that it won't work for you any more if you actually understand it - that the "magic" will be gone. Yes, the magic will be gone, but that doesn't mean it won't work for you... in fact, it might work better.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You aren't really interested in how the visuals work - if you were you might actually try to talk about it. You see this topic as a war, not as a discussion.

I think maybe you guys are afraid that it won't work for you any more if you actually understand it - that the "magic" will be gone. Yes, the magic will be gone, but that doesn't mean it won't work for you... in fact, it might work better.

pj
chgo
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That's it for most ALL of the main characters on that side of the coin perhaps for various reasons, motives, or agendas.

It is also much like Poolplaya9 laid out which involves a form of 'fear' other than relating to the use or non use of the method.

'Happy Holidays'.
 
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Someone in another thread made the comment that...

Jal, Pat Johnson, Lou Figuoroa, Dan White, Banks, I and a few other people are 'batty'.

Well... I think that some of those that actually thinks that two balls & the straight lines in relation between those two balls...

"present themselves differently" depending on where they are on a pool table or anywhere else in the Universe...

are 'batty' individuals.

Also... how can anyone that realizes the absurdity of that & still supports that for whatever reason be considered an honorable individual of good character?

Just more thoughts for consideration.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
That's it for ALL of the main characters on that side of the coin perhaps for various reasons, motives, or agendas.

It is also much like Poolplaya9 laid out which involves a form of 'fear' other than relating to the use or non use of the method.

'Happy Holidays'.
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You have the "doer's" and then you have the "complainers". I'd much rather be a doer. You go ahead and keep being nothing more than a complainer.
 
Neil said:
While a wonderful verse, it has nothing to do with the topic.
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It was YOU that incorrectly tried to associate the debate between those that believe in God & atheists as an analogy regarding the "IT" topic.

It was YOU that then bared false witness regarding my reply to that.

I'll just stop there because it is YOU that certainly seems to instill actions in me that I certainly do NOT wish to foster.
 
Neil said:
You have the "doer's" and then you have the "complainers". I'd much rather be a doer. You go ahead and keep being nothing more than a complainer.
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It is YOU that is one of, if not the biggest whiners & complainers here on AZB.

It is YOU that has me wondering if you even have a single mirror in you house from which to take an honest look at yourself.
 
ENGLISH! said:
It is YOU that is one of, if not the biggest whiners & complainers here on AZB.

It is YOU that has me wondering if you even have a single mirror in you house from which to take an honest look at yourself.
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Strange how you talk about false witness, and then do just that over and over and over. Amazing....:shakehead: All you do on here is attack others and then complain that you are being attacked. You really need some help.
 
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