My tiny carom cue collection

[billiardshot]

Let see you're European [Turkish] talking about an American Cuemaker Cue [who build one of a kind cue]. But you use a Japanese Production Cue, overprice, which the company was help created by an American Cuemaker. Why not use a Cue created by a Turk Cuemaker?

Oh! In case you fail to read the part. Dieckman Mentor in playing 3C and friend. Have Adam / Helmstetter Build cue for him -his name Carl Conlon. The Cues Helmstetter CCS. Both Carom and Pool. So Dieckman problem know more about Adam Cue Than you.

 

[ipitythefool]

Let see you're European [Turkish] talking about an American Cuemaker Cue [who build one of a kind cue]. But you use a Japanese Production Cue, overprice, which the company was help created by an American Cuemaker. Why not use a Cue created by a Turk Cuemaker?

Oh! In case you fail to read the part. Dieckman Mentor in playing 3C and friend. Have Adam / Helmstetter Build cue for him -his name Carl Conlon. The Cues Helmstetter CCS. Both Carom and Pool. So Dieckman problem know more about Adam Cue Than you.

In order for Dieckman to know more, he would have to come to Europe, work hand in hand with the top pros for a couple of months, learn what these pros would like to have in their cues and so forth. I happened to find in this blog that, Mr. Thierry Layani did exactly that, came to Europe from Montreal, worked with pros such as Caudron and upgraded his cue-making skills. Now I would absolutely die to try one of his conical joint cues that he made for Caudron. Now I happened to read this stuff in this blog. I am neither a friend nor an advocate of Mr. Layani. But I have utmost respect for him to traveling to Europe and working with the top pros. On the other hand, Dieckman is an old idiot with a porn type non professional website, swearing around like he is the king! I think you carom players in U.S pampered him so much, he acts like he is something! He thinks he has global reputation. I had no idea that he is a cuemaker until I found it out in this blog. He didn't have the slightest clue when I mentioned some top 10 pro names. Btw- I came to this blog not to diss him. And I don't care who he is. If he is a disrespectful old idiot, he gets what he deserves. I came here based on an old Adam cue that was for sale here in this forum. And yeah I own a Turkish cue maker cue as well. Eurasia Super Pro. It is a $250 cue with a titanium double joint also comes with wood joint. I will show you what it looks like. And take a look at the mother of pearl inlays on it and tell me who is getting an overpriced cue and who is not! LOL

 

[ipitythefool]

Now lets see your Dickman put some labor and mother of pearls in a cue like this. (There is much more detail in a close up shot) A cue like this runs like $250. Done by a 40yr old son of a man who built cues until age 70.
Now tell me who is getting a better deal? They work hours and hours putting tiny pieces of inlays on a cue. Not burn the wood with ugly, absolutely ugly signature. The cuemakers here would laugh their asses of if I showed them how Dickman puts his signature on a cue

 

[billiardshot]

Again totally misunderstanding on your part -ipitythefool! Burn in wood is not correct. This cue didn't cost $8000.00 or $10,000.00 nor $500,00? But the cost is a private matter, the point is what the value is when you sale it.










Dieckman had travel to Europe more than once.

Believe me I will be the first to attack or defend Dieckman.

With your negative attitude . Let me be one AZ Seller that will not sell to you. I have sold Adams and Helmstetter Carom Cues, plus others items/cues here on AZ and elsewhere, mailing to Asia and Europe,plus other part of the world.

 

[3kushn]

I agree, sir. Longonis are piece of shit compared to Dickmans. Now can I ask what model Longoni cue do you have and would you be interested in selling it?

Model 71 with 2 matched Pro Shafts.

Not for sale.
I don't sell my cues. Not even my Mooooci Original whippy pool cue.

 

[ipitythefool]

The cue that you are posting appears to be a pool cue, with a long ferrule and also irish wrap? I am talking about carom cues here LOL. See the difference? This is what I am talking about. We are speaking different languages. Me no comprende the game of pool! :smile: (But I can still run a pool table all night long in a given bar when I come over to the land of the brave lol. For some reason, carom players play excellent pool, but not the other way around)

And you are more than welcome to NOT sell me, sir :smile: Because I like carom cues. And it appears the cues that I like, you don't sell anyways. But please let me know if you happen to come across a used Super Prof 903, a reasonably priced Musashi cue or a custom pro Longoni


P.S: I saw many Dickman cues on his porn looking "scroll down" website LOL. And he burns into wood in butt and in center of cue, things like "777" or "For the bad boy of Chicago" LOL Thank you, sir. I don't need no hot metal touching my cue. I guess that is his understanding of his customization, especially with that particularly ugly hand writing.

 

[ipitythefool]

Model 71 with 2 matched Pro Shafts.

Not for sale.
I don't sell my cues. Not even my Mooooci Original whippy pool cue.

I couldnt find any reference to a Model 71. Number 71 usually stands for the shaft's length in centimeters, as shafts are either 69 or 71cm. Take a better look at the model name next time you make a reference to it. And no, I am not interested in your whippy whatever mooci for all the money lol. And, Longoni is still the king, compared to your moocis, magic wandzzz (lmao) :smile: This dickman dude really got y'all hung by the ballz :thumbup:

 

[3kushn]

Again totally misunderstanding on your part -ipitythefool! Burn in wood is not correct. This cue didn't cost $8000.00 or $10,000.00 nor $500,00? But the cost is a private matter, the point is what the value is when you sale it.

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Dieckman had travel to Europe more than once.

Believe me I will be the first to attack or defend Dieckman.

With your negative attitude . Let me be one AZ Seller that will not sell to you. I have sold Adams and Helmstetter Carom Cues, plus others items/cues here on AZ and elsewhere, mailing to Asia and Europe,plus other part of the world.

Awesome cue Billiardshot. You want ta sell it to me?

Hey ipitythefool you might be right it may be a pool cue. Nobody says Dennis didn't make pool cues. Didn't you accuse Dennis of burning the wood in his cues? This just shows you're wrong on this one too.

I'm really thinking that you're just trying to start some crap. I forgot to ask in my last post. Weren't you bragging how Longoni has all the great players using his cues and therefore he must have the best there is?

 

[ipitythefool]

Awesome cue Billiardshot. You want ta sell it to me?

Hey ipitythefool you might be right it may be a pool cue. Nobody says Dennis didn't make pool cues. Didn't you accuse Dennis of burning the wood in his cues? This just shows you're wrong on this one too.

I'm really thinking that you're just trying to start some crap. I forgot to ask in my last post. Weren't you bragging how Longoni has all the great players using his cues and therefore he must have the best there is?

Sorry I didnt get your q., perhaps bec. English is not my main lang. What do you mean by "therefore he must have the best there is"? Longoni must have the best what? Can you elaborate?

I am not here to start anything. I have been very busy for the last month. I realized I posted on this blog a month ago. And all this crap has been written behind my back. Dieckman emailed me, and I responded back with all details to his question. No word came back from him!

As for the Dieckman pool cue pics. If someone saw me within 10 yards of a carom table, with a pool stick in my hands, the whole house would laugh at me lol. 3C is a game of traditions. I am surprised now. Dickman puts himself out as a carom cue maker who sticks to only carom games, and his pool cue pics pop out. But I already knew this. This is an American blog I am writing on, trying to make my points to be understood. But you guys are pool players. I put on a carom cue pic, someone responds back with a pool cue pic. We are speaking different languages here. Thank you.

 

[ipitythefool]

Didn't you accuse Dennis of burning the wood in his cues? QUOTE]

Addendum: I am not accusing anybody, or namely Dieckman. How can I accuse him of not knowing the know-how as to how to properly burn his sig into wood. I was simply saying, he absolutely does NOT know how to properly burn his sig into wood. It is a skill that would be gained over several years. I guess, this is like trying to teach how to properly hit a foot ball (soccer ball) to an American. There is nuances, tiny bit of differences involved. You just have to come from the carom tradition, IOW, you have to be born into carom tradition. I am not seeing that in Dickman's cues.

 

[billiardshot]

Again -ipitythefool- you just not getting it. because if you look at my AZ signature at the bottom of this post. You would saw:

Playing Cues: Pool, Carom,and Masse Cue: All are Magik Wandzzz, so they must be Dieckman

Which in turn mean you didn't check out this post/Thread I mention earlier

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=113721

or

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=140997

I just show you one cue, counter your comments about inlays and burn signature.

You won't find adam or any other CAROM CUES for sale in this thread/post.
Bye.

 

[3kushn]

Didn't you accuse Dennis of burning the wood in his cues? QUOTE]

Addendum: I am not accusing anybody, or namely Dieckman. How can I accuse him of not knowing the know-how as to how to properly burn his sig into wood. I was simply saying, he absolutely does NOT know how to properly burn his sig into wood. It is a skill that would be gained over several years. I guess, this is like trying to teach how to properly hit a foot ball (soccer ball) to an American. There is nuances, tiny bit of differences involved. You just have to come from the carom tradition, IOW, you have to be born into carom tradition. I am not seeing that in Dickman's cues.

Speaking for myself I only play pool once or twice a year and you can see me kicking and screaming all the way to the table. I'm awful on the pool table.

I happen to own a pool cue that I purchased in 1973 while in college. I started playing 3C in 1973.5 but didn't have the money or knowledge about carom cues till around mid 80's when Harry Sims put me under his wing. Harry made me my first Carom Cue. Very basic and stout. Then the Longoni even stouter. Maybe some improvement but not much. Played a short while with a Turkish cue. Nice looking butts, sub par shafts and the finish cracked not to mention shipping damage. Then I dug down and bought a Dieckman and never looked back except to buy another one. These are the cues I own. I've played with many others. Next step maybe I'll pick up a DD masse cue to finish the job. That is if he still has any left.

As far as burning his signature I think he uses a PEN held with his own hand but I'll have to verify that. I need to call him today and will report back. I really don't think this process can possibly determine a Master vs a Novice.

 

[billiardshot]

Tom, That Cue was a Southwest Pool Cue design by DDDD to honor Cuemaker Jerry Franklin after his death. Totally Perfect!!! Not for sale at this time. White inlays and ferrule is Micarta .

 

[3kushn]

Just pullin chains Bob.

Nice cue though.

 

[mr3cushion]

What is the butt diameter of these cues? Maybe my eyes are playing an illusion but it appears those have smaller butt diameters than a legitimate carom cue. They exactly appear like pool cues with no wrapping and a short ferrule!!! These cues may suffice a pool player's taste, but would never give what a 3 cushion (not pool player) wants in a cue. The butt diameter has to be bigger in order to force the extreme english and other force shots, as balls are bigger in 3 cushion than pool. (imagine a bigger triangle's base line)

Fool; It seems to me you have a knowledge of the carom cue, would you like to enlighten the rest of the neophites to what you consider to the be the perfect dimensions for the perfect 3 Cushion cue?

Length:
Weight:
Balance point from butt end of cue:
Diameter of tip:
Length of ferrule:
Diameter of the butt:
Taper of cue:
Type of joint (wood screw, metal screw, etc.):
Rubber grip vs other:

http://mr3cushion.com

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

P.S. If you're looking for someone to play for MONEY, I'm 65 years old and will be more than happy to accomidate you ANYTIME you vist our inept 3 cushion country, you name the price!
Also, please reveal yourself with your proper given name, don't hide behind a username.

 

[makism]

Excuse me mister Smith, but I think you're wrong (or I didnt understand perfectly what you meant) .Don't want to be rude or something, but I honestly don't believe there is a perfect cue.In my it's all about how the cue fits your personal taste.If there was a perfect cue, don't you think most companies would have found out what the ''secret'' is? I'm not a fan of big cue-making companies, in fact I think most of their cues are overpriced and certainly not as good as most people think.But some people don't like certain cues, not because of quality but because of personal taste.

By the way, I own a Layani cue and I'm totally satisfied.

 

[mr3cushion]

Excuse me mister Smith, but I think you're wrong (or I didnt understand perfectly what you meant) .Don't want to be rude or something, but I honestly don't believe there is a perfect cue.In my it's all about how the cue fits your personal taste.If there was a perfect cue, don't you think most companies would have found out what the ''secret'' is? I'm not a fan of big cue-making companies, in fact I think most of their cues are overpriced and certainly not as good as most people think.But some people don't like certain cues, not because of quality but because of personal taste.

By the way, I own a Layani cue and I'm totally satisfied.

Makism; I think you did missunderstand my point, Mr. Ipitythefool implied he felt the carom cues made by some American Cue Makers were not up to Euoropean standards, so I assumed from his converesation he has knowledge of what HE feels is the prpoer carom cue.
Plus boasting of his average and would be willing to play a 63 year old person, he can start with me, I'm 65, that's all.

http://mr3cushion.com

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

 

[makism]

Makism; I think you did missunderstand my point, Mr. Ipitythefool implied he felt the carom cues made by some American Cue Makers were not up to Euoropean standards, so I assumed from his converesation he has knowledge of what HE feels is the prpoer carom cue.
Plus boasting of his average and would be willing to play a 63 year old person, he can start with me, I'm 65, that's all.

http://mr3cushion.com

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

My humble apologies then.I follow your articles in magazines as much as I can and I think you are a very good writer (never had the pleasure to watch you play though).

 

[ipitythefool]

Fool; It seems to me you have a knowledge of the carom cue, would you like to enlighten the rest of the neophites to what you consider to the be the perfect dimensions for the perfect 3 Cushion cue?

Length:
Weight:
Balance point from butt end of cue:
Diameter of tip:
Length of ferrule:
Diameter of the butt:
Taper of cue:
Type of joint (wood screw, metal screw, etc.):
Rubber grip vs other:

http://mr3cushion.com

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

P.S. If you're looking for someone to play for MONEY, I'm 65 years old and will be more than happy to accomidate you ANYTIME you vist our inept 3 cushion country, you name the price!
Also, please reveal yourself with your proper given name, don't hide behind a username.

I perfectly agree with the just above commenter makism, that there is NO perfect cue. It is all about what fits into your hand. (It is funny, I also dig Layani cues a LOT. I love them)

Having said that, there are some proper set traditions that will assist a player in 3C.
Length, shaft can be anywhere from 69 to 72cm, usually taller the player, prefers a taller shaft.
As for balance, this is one of the main differences between a pool and 3C cue. 3C cue has to have a front balance. So, just like a hammer, works much better with heavy english shots. And the l'image (I do not know the word in English, but it is where you set the shaft, whether "on" your fingers or between the fingers) has to be between fingers in order to control the front bal. cue. Just like pool players are more adapt to setting the cue shaft on thumb and pointing finger.
The tip, I like 11.7-11.8 mm (sorry, I do not know in American measuring system) The smaller the tip, more spin you get. Bigger the tip, more power. I try to get the best of both worlds by my choice. Almost all pros go with 12mm tips, but there are exceptions, such as Dick Jaspers, who also prefers 11.7. Anywhere up to 11mm is usually for carambole (no rail) discipline.
Length of ferrule and diameter of butt: Sorry I cant be of help. I am not a cuemaker. But all my cues come with cerocite ferrule or cbr longoni ferrules (these are short ferrules, not like long pool type)
Taper of cue: See, this is one more thing that we do not have tons of choices to choose from here, unlike U.S buyers who like to customize everything lol. But I can say, our shafts look like "Eiffel tower" :smile:
Type of joint: This is something again completely up to the player. Some players like "wood kissing wood" meaning wood joints. Force shots are forced only when you force the cue, I dont know if that makes sense. It plays soft. Some players play with metal joints. This helps put the balance in front for that favored 3C balance. I have both wood and Adam's double joint cues. Both are the most preferred joints here. I also would love to try how Layani's conical joint hits/feels.
Grip: I like something called Renzline. It is like suede. Also rubber works too, but expensive cues wont go well with rubber ones.

I hope I was able to be of help, Mr "3 Cushion"

And as for the best part, about your challenge for REAL MONEY (money highlighted and in high caps) LMAO....HAHAHAHA..Thank you for the offer. If you were around, I would gladly but gladly accept the challenge
Seriously!

As for my name, I apologize but I dont have a cool name like yours, Mr. 3 Cushion hahahahha. I am just your average player (average in the sense of average among the players I play with) I made a joke in another thread pretending my name to be my fav player, Murat Naci Coklu, just for the purpose to see how many people here will recognize this name. (If I called myself to be Mike Massey, Ceulemans or Saygıner, people would know right away) and almost no one figured that, Murat Coklu is a world renowned 3C player! (2005 I believe, world champion. 2010 world team champion) Mr. Dieckman thought Murat Çoklu is a short and bald man from a 1996 Sang Lee tournament. No, Mr. Dickman. Murat is neither bald nor short. This shows how little Mr. Dieckman knows about the world traveling pros (It is as stupid as a tennis coach not recognizing the name Nadal)
So conclusively, not everyone has to have a cool name like "Mr. 3 Cushion"

 

[ipitythefool]

Mr. 3 Cushion, allow me to take a rain check on your challenge! Happy Hittings! Also, let me ask, which 3C systems do you know? Diamond, No english Diamond? RC? Lets speak about system knowledge