my two headed monster,.,.,.,.
- Thread starter leon sly
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Thanks Dean...i payed a lot for this wood however if your really interested i would sell you one piece of the coco burl price 300 and i really don't want to but for you i would let me know.
jimmy, i have a lot of ideas of my own i just haven't showed them yet......and they shore didn't come from craftsmanspace.com
:smile:i'm finished my last post''''''''''' every one have a great weekend and a great summer!!!!!
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What I don't get is Leon asked Tony if he could do his own version many years ago while I was at the BB shop, He called me and asked me to ask Tony! Tony said I would be tickled to death if he can do it do it I don't give a shit I'd like to see it when it's done.
Also Manzino has done that butt cap in his own way
JMW has his own way and done it see it here
http://www.pro9.co.uk/html/print.php?sid=489
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=385498&highlight=James+white
Crown cues has done it in their style
That's to name a few
As far as the design, I've talked to many people who buy cues like this. They ask Leon for the design. They do so because it takes them into a cue that would be 5x Leon's price from another maker and it's affordable to them, they know the cue will play well, and it's Leon's style it's slightly different he doesn't do it exactly the same.
We could sit here and say no one should use a notched diamond , a dot, or barbell because Gus did first. But that would be foolish. Since the cue is different Leon still has to spend some time on the design on the CNC because he did not get the exact specs from BB or Vollmer or anyone else
I just didn't see any people bashing James Whites crown butt cap and I realize you guys are talking the design in general but only the Windows the same lol everyone uses Windows
I don't have a dog in this fight but if you own a black boar or Vollmer it doesn't effect your cues value or the fact you own one. So who cares at the end of the day. You do your high end cues and Leon will make his to the customers who obviously like them and ask for them. He must have a market cause he sells every cue he makes
What I don't get is Leon asked Tony if he could do his own version many years ago while I was at the BB shop, He called me and asked me to ask Tony! Tony said I would be tickled to death if he can do it do it I don't give a shit I'd like to see it when it's done.
Also Manzino has done that butt cap in his own way
JMW has his own way and done it see it here
http://www.pro9.co.uk/html/print.php?sid=489
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=385498&highlight=James+white
Crown cues has done it in their style
That's to name a few
As far as the design, I've talked to many people who buy cues like this. They ask Leon for the design. They do so because it takes them into a cue that would be 5x Leon's price from another maker and it's affordable to them, they know the cue will play well, and it's Leon's style it's slightly different he doesn't do it exactly the same.
We could sit here and say no one should use a notched diamond , a dot, or barbell because Gus did first. But that would be foolish. Since the cue is different Leon still has to spend some time on the design on the CNC because he did not get the exact specs from BB or Vollmer or anyone else
I just didn't see any people bashing James Whites crown butt cap and I realize you guys are talking the design in general but only the Windows the same lol everyone uses Windows
I don't have a dog in this fight but if you own a black boar or Vollmer it doesn't effect your cues value or the fact you own one. So who cares at the end of the day. You do your high end cues and Leon will make his to the customers who obviously like them and ask for them. He must have a market cause he sells every cue he makes
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Ralf, i can build you this cue!!.....with wood that is commercially non-existent in the USA Cocobolo eye burl at is finest.
4and 8 my choices:wink: but mostly is 8.
What size they have?
Talk later my Friend
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Ralf, i have some 18" pieces also lets build this three headed coco burl monster.:thumbup:
That is the exact point many of the posters are trying to make... Do "your" thing Leon.
I don't think anyone hates Leon. They are acknowledging his talent as a cuemaker and would like to see some truly original designs come out his shop.
agreed
I would have to same the same, Mr. Sly love your work and if they sell and put
food on the table then more power to you.
I hope your around for a long time building these beautiful cues.
I would have to same the same, Mr. Sly love your work and if they sell and put
food on the table then more power to you.
I hope your around for a long time building these beautiful cues.
Well that's an opinion. Leon's a grown ass man & should feel free to do whatever he wants with his talent without having to listen to the whining from the boring boar crowd now looking down at their 20 dime cues & going "damn, I could have one that looks as good & plays better for 4 dimes". I'll take the wolf brave enough to stand alone oblivious to the opinions of others over the sheep huddling around Tony's nut sack.
...again there is no issue doing tributes if you have your OWN portfolio....
Lets see Mama June walk into a modeling agency with Scarlett Johanssons headshots....
JV
Lets see Mama June walk into a modeling agency with Scarlett Johanssons headshots....
JV
No Sir... those were facts based on comments posted in this thread. Your post, however, was opinionated.
I know quite a few Black Boar owners, and I can assure you not one of them is having buyer's remorse because of this thread.
Just for the record... you may want to hold on to a set of knee pads...
JV
Talk about calling the kettle black ive heard thats all you do dont you sell cues for some one else and use his money ? So tell us how worn out are your knee pads.
That's the problem.. "you've heard".. I spend MY money always have, but that's not the point. How about you bring yourself and who you "heard" it from and stand in front of me, and we can discuss it.
But there is not pot, or kettle situation here.
JV
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Your comments have been dead on in this thread. It's obvious the direction that Leon wants to take as a cuemaker at the moment. Anything else that we say from both points of view will just be arguing. My point was never intended to pick a side. I just want to see the art of cues progress from a cuemaker that has the capability to do so.
Lets set this straight
I've been watching Leon's work and In my opinion does nice cues and is a respectable craftsman. What I see in this cue is a copy of a Blackboar without the precision and detail like BB has. Like all his cue's they are copies of another cue maker. If he is fine with that so be it. All the cue makers do what they are comfortable with. (I take this back)
I've been watching Leon's work and In my opinion does nice cues and is a respectable craftsman. What I see in this cue is a copy of a Blackboar without the precision and detail like BB has. Like all his cue's they are copies of another cue maker. If he is fine with that so be it. All the cue makers do what they are comfortable with. (I take this back)
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Eric, please explain to me in more detail about my cue being a exact copy....or if you want to talk about it feel free to call me i'm very easy to get along with 410-827-4966
my true opinion the only one who can make and exact copy of blk boar is tony himself.
1- why because he has his own geometry and cad drawings for his own cue designs.
the cue i got posted up might look (similar) but not identical.why because the cue was built by me ....not tony.
personally i don't think theirs anything wrong with building a cue with a similar look to another cue 'why' because it will never be the same identical cue as the original.
i'm not bending arms here or begging anyone to buy a custom made cue from me!!
i'm going to keep building cues for customers how they want them built i'm really sorry if this offends anyone.
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