Mystery Cue
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value questions
I have a question considering the value being changed from further alteration. The OP is a friend of mine. If he decides to have me - or anyone else for that matter, put a proper A joint including tenon in the cue - would it harm the value? I don't really think so. I assume that he plays with it as a shooting cue - not bothering with breaking it down and jumping with it. A proper A joint may tone down some of the "rawness" of the hit. It will still be what it is. No one seems to be able to identify a maker anyway...
I have a question considering the value being changed from further alteration. The OP is a friend of mine. If he decides to have me - or anyone else for that matter, put a proper A joint including tenon in the cue - would it harm the value? I don't really think so. I assume that he plays with it as a shooting cue - not bothering with breaking it down and jumping with it. A proper A joint may tone down some of the "rawness" of the hit. It will still be what it is. No one seems to be able to identify a maker anyway...
I don't think you can go wrong with putting an A joint on this cue. As for maker, it's basically unrecognizable, could be anyone. Brass joint, collars are very large, unusual, Rambow-like buttplante with no bumper, made into a jump cue, looks like original house cue from the start. Even a few inlays. Could have been anybody. This does not eliminate though, that it could have been a famous maker's early start. But too hard to tell.
All the best,
WW
I could swear I saw a cue very much like this one less than a year ado and it was a prominent maker.
It's really bugging me!
I can't find any record of it and I keep a lot of notes and pics.
It's a cool cue. A better joint would likely improve it. As for value, as long as it wasn't made by anybody of note, then the value would not be hurt and might be helped.
It's just bugging me that it looks so darn familiar. I really thought somebody here would ID it.
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It's really bugging me!
I can't find any record of it and I keep a lot of notes and pics.
It's a cool cue. A better joint would likely improve it. As for value, as long as it wasn't made by anybody of note, then the value would not be hurt and might be helped.
It's just bugging me that it looks so darn familiar. I really thought somebody here would ID it.
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KARL MEYER
Old time pool cue maker from New Jersey.
This cue reminds me of his style.
Maker of pool cues in North Plainfield, New Jersey until 2003.
Karl Meyer made Merry Widow-type cues, either plain or with inlays of dots and diamonds, in North Plainfield, New Jersey for many years. Karl and his wife traveled around the East Coast selling them to pool rooms, and Mrs. Meyer handled the cue sales. The cues retailed for $60-80 apiece. Karl is believed to have worked for Frank Paradise or Palmer at one time. He passed on in 2003.
Old time pool cue maker from New Jersey.
This cue reminds me of his style.
Maker of pool cues in North Plainfield, New Jersey until 2003.
Karl Meyer made Merry Widow-type cues, either plain or with inlays of dots and diamonds, in North Plainfield, New Jersey for many years. Karl and his wife traveled around the East Coast selling them to pool rooms, and Mrs. Meyer handled the cue sales. The cues retailed for $60-80 apiece. Karl is believed to have worked for Frank Paradise or Palmer at one time. He passed on in 2003.
Mayer (sp) and Fedunka come to mind, but I don't think so. Both left the points much closer together at the wrap on their cues. This one still looks like some sort of a garage project that was modified over the years to become a jump cue. Still hard to tell on this one.
All the best,
WW
All the best,
WW
On second thought it could be a Noneya cue.
Well, actually that does help a bit. The standard for Palmer first catalog cues, as well as Paradise cues was 5/16 X 18. I'm not sure about Mayer and Fedunka, but suspect the same, given they made cues in the same time period, and the same area.
If either Palmer or Paradise though, it wouldn't be original, as they didn't do jointed jump cues, and that sort of thing at that time. The buttplate is a bit long for first catalog Palmer, actually looks more like Paradise dimension.
But again, this is a tough one.
I'm thinking not an original garage project, though, as the buttplate with its beveling shows a bit more sophistication for the time.
All the best,
WW
Never heard of him. What is all this Noneya business?
I wrote a detailed reply which unfortunately got swallowed by the internet and lost.
I'm sorry but while your shaft may have started life in the Palmer shop as is also possible with some of the parts (pin/joint/weight bolt maybe), there is no other part of the butt that speaks Palmer.
There are so many jokers messing with cues that this is probably just something assembled with parts from here and there, and then mated with what might be a Palmer or Paradise shaft.
In response to your comment that Palmer made custom cues as well as those shown in their various catalogs, that is true but seldom did they stray very far from the production cues. When they did, they still used some off-the-shelf components. One example of a non-standard Palmer which did stray from the norm was the so-called Colavita cue and it's sisters, one of which is shown below.
PS Regarding the cues that Palmer made for Brunswick, they were produced during Second Catalog production, were window cues with the familiar embossed foil labels and spanned three models two of which were almost identical to the Second Catalog Models B and E. Those were dubbed the Brunswick Custom and Brunswick Original. The third was the Lord Brunswick which did not parallel any standard Palmer. A picture of the Brunswick cues is shown below.
I'm sorry but while your shaft may have started life in the Palmer shop as is also possible with some of the parts (pin/joint/weight bolt maybe), there is no other part of the butt that speaks Palmer.
There are so many jokers messing with cues that this is probably just something assembled with parts from here and there, and then mated with what might be a Palmer or Paradise shaft.
In response to your comment that Palmer made custom cues as well as those shown in their various catalogs, that is true but seldom did they stray very far from the production cues. When they did, they still used some off-the-shelf components. One example of a non-standard Palmer which did stray from the norm was the so-called Colavita cue and it's sisters, one of which is shown below.
PS Regarding the cues that Palmer made for Brunswick, they were produced during Second Catalog production, were window cues with the familiar embossed foil labels and spanned three models two of which were almost identical to the Second Catalog Models B and E. Those were dubbed the Brunswick Custom and Brunswick Original. The third was the Lord Brunswick which did not parallel any standard Palmer. A picture of the Brunswick cues is shown below.
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Thanks I appreciate the reply. I'd sure like to meet the person who slapped it together so I could give em a swift kick in the swinging parts for making such a good cue and being an unknown. I might roast some marshmallows with it, not entirely sure yet. Thanks everyone for taking the time. Happy Holidays.